James Talarico

Yes.

One, I think this is a model right here.

Like having a place that we can all come together and listen to each other.

I told you about your talent for listening.

I learned this in my seminary training because what pastors do is listen a lot and how hard it is to actually listen to someone.

It's easy to stop talking and then start talking when the person is done.

Exchanging monologues.

That's easy.

But actually...

Being open to hearing someone is a whole different ballgame.

Yes.

You have to recognize something in someone else, a part of yourself, right?

That image.

Again, I would describe it as the image of God, but I don't want to make people feel weird about religion.

Well, because I think the most revolutionary teaching in my religion is the teaching to love your enemy.

I mean, it's crazy from two perspectives.

One, it's Jesus is acknowledging that we're going to have enemies.

Because you could see a world where he's just like, don't have enemies, right?

But if you're going to do difficult work, if you're going to speak your mind, if you're going to stand up to entrenched power, you're going to get some opponents, right?

Yeah.