James Talarico

And so the only time this happens is for immediate, life-threatening medical reasons.

Well, and I think within Roe versus Wade, there was a legal framework for states to be able to make decisions about how you regulate abortion.

And so if a state decides that they wanted to ban elective late-term abortions, if those things happen, then that was completely fine within the framework of Roe versus Wade.

But we're not having that conversation, right?

We're having a conversation about a total extreme ban on abortion here in Texas, the most extreme.

Well, and that was the original ban that passed, but then Texas had a trigger law in place, which was if Roe v. Wade is overturned, which it was, then Texas would automatically ban abortion in all cases.

So no longer a week-by-week framework.

It was a total ban.

So there was that original ban that went into place, but then that was because Roe was overturned, was then replaced by a total ban.

So in Texas, again, we're not recognizing any of the shades of gray in this conversation.

It is the most extreme ban in the country, and we've seen the devastating consequences of it.

We saw –

Texas women who were forced to wait in emergency room parking lots until they went into sepsis.

I mean, we've seen women banned from using public highways to travel out of state to get an abortion.

I mean, that's what they were just trying to do in Lubbock was prevent women from using public highways.

Right.

Yes.

It's interesting you bring up miscarriages because, you know, if I'm, again, trying to take people at their word, trying to assume the best intentions and hear a good faith argument on the other side of this, if my concern is with the life of an embryo or the life of a fetus,

The greatest threat to that life is a miscarriage.

I mean, if your concern is how many embryos or fetuses we're losing, the number that we lose to miscarriage versus the number we lose to abortion, I mean, it's dwarfed.