James Talarico

And they may have scriptural passages they point to to be anti-abortion.

And I think that's a debate that we should feel comfortable having.

All I'm saying is that it shouldn't be assumed that just because you're a Christian, you are anti-gay or anti-abortion because there are so many Christians out there who don't subscribe to either of those policy positions.

That's right, and it's why I think that almost everyone in this country is pro-choice to some extent because the polling indicates that the vast majority of Texans, the vast majority of Americans support exceptions for rape, incest, or threats to the mother self.

But at least they're consistent.

Again, if you believe that a fetus is a person... Well, it certainly has the potential to be a person, right?

Well, and a fetus is alive in terms of just biologically alive.

But we do have...

literally trillions of living organisms in us right now.

Absolutely.

But the question is, is a fetus or is an embryo a person with full legal rights that trump the rights of a woman or a girl, as you mentioned?

Because if you're a 16-year-old girl who's been raped—

Does that embryo or that fetus, does its rights trump the rights of that girl?

And I say no.

I think most Americans say no.

And to me, that exposes kind of the lack of support for fetal personhood.

Again, we can have conversations about limits to abortion, all of those things.

But I do think it's clear that most Americans believe that a woman or a girl should have the autonomy to make those decisions about their own body.

Well, I think if you look at the data, the late-term abortions that happen are almost exclusively to save the life of the mother.

Because, I mean, now you're talking about people who have picked out a name, who have bought a crib, people who want this baby.