James Talarico

And so I'm always interested why the pro-life movement is not more interested in figuring out how we prevent more miscarriages.

Because again, if your concern is that embryonic life seems like finding ways to prevent miscarriage, which we have best practices that can do it, right?

Making sure people are covered by health insurance once their pregnancy starts.

I mean, that is a huge opportunity to prevent miscarriages.

You're not gonna prevent all of them, but there are things we could do

To stop it.

And so the fact that all the attention is on abortion, rather than on some of these other things that maybe we could all agree on, to me, again, it makes me suspicious about the true motives of some of these politicians and some of these activists who are pushing some of these bans.

Because it doesn't seem like it's about children.

It doesn't seem like it's about mothers and women and girls.

It does seem like it's about control.

And I think that's what we see across this Christian nationalist movement is controlling what you do with your own body, controlling what you read, controlling what you learn, controlling where you travel.

I mean, this is religion at its worst, is trying to control people and what they do.

Yeah.

So I think there's lots of different ways you could describe it.

The way I define it is a little broader.

I say Christian nationalism is the worship of power, whether it's social power, economic power, political power, in the name of Christ.

And I think it's relevant to describe it this way because it's something we've struggled with within the Christian church from the very beginning.

So the first followers of Jesus didn't even call themselves Christians.

They called themselves the Way because their crucified teacher had taught them a different way of being human, a different way of relating to other people, of understanding your relationship to neighbor and to God.

And this transformed them.