Jamie Carragher

Now, we then get the second and the second after that.

That's when I think there was a shift.

And the thing why I think Mikel Arteta has done something different that I've not seen before is when he initially came in, I think we'd all put him in a box as he is a coach for Pep Guardiola.

He's going to play Pep Guardiola football at Arsenal and we're going to go for that.

And I think in that sort of season where they finished fifth, season where they finished second for the first time, I think the football there was fantastic.

But Thierry, what I mentioned before in terms of what I'm seeing with Mikel Arteta is something I haven't seen before with the managers.

If you think of managers who've won the Premier League, and it looks like Mikel Arteta's going to, we knew what Klopp was from day one.

We knew what Pep was from day one.

Don't always get the results straight away, but you know sort of what they are.

Ferguson, Winger, you know, you can go through all the managers.

With the thing that I find fascinating about Arteta, whether he was comfortable or not, definitely in that first season, that season when they finished fifth, then they finished second, you're thinking of bringing Zinchenko in, Jesus, they're almost Man City light.

That's what we are, Arsenal are.

And it's really good football, exciting football.

You can see with the goals that they score.

The thing that I think is fascinating is he then morphs to almost what you might call a Mourinho more style.

Now I've been calling Arsenal... For a long time.

a Jose Mourinho-style team for about two or three years on this programme.

Not as a criticism.

I think it was taken as a criticism by Arsenal fans.

It wasn't.