Jamie Carragher

He definitely used to say to us, and on a one-off game, you'd rather draw it again than lose it.

And he'd say, if you can't win the game, don't lose it.

And I think that was definitely in his mentality and his makeup as a manager.

But 20 minutes ago, he said, OK, we're going to do everything we can to win the game, but we're not going to lose it.

And maybe I think probably when you speak to me about Alex Ferguson, it was basically, no, we're just doing everything to win the game.

And if we lose it, we lose it.

So there was definitely a different mentality there, I would imagine.

And the two biggest influencers I had and managers I had for 12 years of my career were more like that.

There's no doubt Gerard Houllier was like that.

probably even a little bit more than Rafa, to be honest, really.

But again, I go back to when we mentioned at the top about Rafa being maybe cold to certain players, but

He's had great success throughout his career.

He's won titles in Spain.

You know, he's got a way of work and a way of doing things that's proved successful.

So I always think it's very difficult when you've got a way of... He was when he used to come on La Liga sometimes.

Lee, how have you found that then as a manager?

Because you just said before how competitive you were as a player.

I mean, I can't get my head around that.

I think certainly the one you mentioned in terms of Lyle Taylor's being, you know, up and down the country with different clubs at times.

I think he's obviously done really well for you at Charlton.