Jamie Laing

Yeah.

But did you know growing up you were an outsider?

Children, we're quite naive, right?

So our existence around us is just kind of like what we think it is.

It's kind of good consciousness to understand certain things.

Understanding that you're popular or cool is one thing.

Understanding that maybe you're not fitting is all.

It's quite a bit of self-awareness to realize that as a young kid.

Yeah, it's, you know, it's when we eat the apple, right?

It's like Adam eating the apple, but you suddenly gain the experience.

Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly.

There's a great poem which I've spoken before, which is Blake.

Blake talks about innocence and experience and how experience destroys innocence.

And there's something amazing about innocence.

That's why one of my heroes in life is Peter Pan.

I've said this a million times, but Peter Pan is amazing because Peter Pan didn't want to grow up because he wanted to stay naive and young and he didn't want to be like Captain Hook, who was a tyrant, followed, you know, chased by time.

It's kind of a beautiful thing, I think.

And he was the leader, right?

Even though he was quite childlike, but he used his power, yet in a sense of power, which is the same in Lord of the Flies.

Which is, by the way, I wasn't going to bring this up, but Lord of the Flies was the first play I did at school.