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Jamie Loftus

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Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Sam and a lot of his people were rationalists or rationalist adjacent.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Yeah.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Yeah, to give you an idea of how these people talk about utility functions, I'm going to read an excerpt from an article on this website titled Your Utility Function is Your Utility Function by David Udell.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

I've been thinking a lot lately about exactly how altruistic I am.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

The truth is that I'm not sure.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

I care a lot about not dying and about my girlfriend and family and friends not dying and about all of humanity not dying.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

and about all life on this planet not dying too.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

And I care about the glorious transhuman future and all that, and the 10 to the 50th power or whatever possible good future lives hanging in the balance.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

And I care about some of these things disproportionately to their apparent moral magnitude.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

But what I care about is what I care about.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

So you see what he's saying if you read between the lines there, what the most rational thing for me to do is whatever makes me feel best.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Don't let people shame you for spending your resources, you know, entirely on yourself and your own whims.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Like you're actually a hero if you do that.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

The core of it is always being able to say that, like, well, if you suggest that, number one, I have a responsibility to other people and that that responsibility is to some extent out of my hands, which is what we all say when we're in a society.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Right.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

I don't have kids.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

I don't have a choice not to spend some of the significant amount of money I pay in taxes educating other people's kids.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

Now, I'm not a complete piece of shit, so I'm fine with that because like I've I've done very well for myself and kids need educations.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

That's just a nice way for the world to work.

Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: How Sam Bankman-Fried Conned the Crypto World & The Sam Bankman-Fried Update

But these people are more of the feeling that like, no, I should do whatever is possible to avoid paying for, you know, a public school system.