Jamie Loftus

This is all what they actually care about personally.

But they want to feel like Gandhi while they do it.

Right.

Because what they're doing is guaranteeing what they'll argue, Jamie, is that like, well, you know, this may hurt this company, you know, me getting involved in this company.

Sure, we may destroy a lot of jobs in the short term, but by doing so, we'll be able to make sure that the A.I.

we build that eventually becomes our God is one that cares about the future of humanity.

And that's better for the most people in the long run.

I can hate these people.

So, yeah, it's it's cool stuff.

And I think the the fundamental selfishness of these people, because all that effective altruism and rationalism are really about is by is creating a made up system of numbers to justify people.

You pursuing your own benefit as like science, right, as like scientifically rational.

That's very true, Jamie.

And yes, this is all really clear when you look at how the movement, the movement treated Sam Bankman Freed before and after his fall from grace.

If effective altruism can be said to have a pope, and it can because all of these Silicon Valley philosophical movements are just Kirkland brand Catholicism, that pope is Will McCaskill, an Oxford moral philosopher and co-founder for the Center for Effective Altruism.

When FTX collapsed and Sam got arrested, he was quick to put out a statement of outrage.

I don't know which emotion is stronger, my other rage at Sam and others for causing such harm to so many people, or my sadness and self-hatred for falling for this deception.

Now, the only reason I would hesitate to call this horseshit, Jamie, is that horseshit, by virtue of being inanimate waste, possesses a fundamental honesty that McCaskill is incapable of.

Wow.

That's awesome.

Thank you.