Jamie Metzl

In Oxford, there's the drinking at late night.

And then after...

Lunch and dinner, you go to the tea and coffee room and then you have your tea and coffee and people serve you.

And then in those days, you read all the newspapers.

And I thought, God, these guys are going to be here for like 100 years.

But it turns out that's the goal.

Like the graduate students, when I went back like eight, nine, 10 years later, and some of the people were still there.

But they were having a great life.

They were tea after every meal and drinking.

I was on a big hurry.

So I did my... Yeah, this is their lifestyle.

Yeah, it's a great lifestyle, frankly.

And so for me, I did my PhD and my law degree, but I was really anxious to get out into the world.

And that's why I went to the Thai-Cambodian border.

I went...

in Cambodia, where I was a human rights officer for the UN for two years.

When I was in the Clinton White House, I spent a lot of time in the former Yugoslavia and was deeply involved in that.

Everything for me was about what's the idea, and then how is the idea realized in the world?

Such a great and important question.

Maybe I'll back up a little bit.