Jamie Metzl

systems like NATO and our system of alliances with Japan.

This whole thing that academics boringly but call the liberal international order is

That's all based on largely U.S.

technology and largely U.S.

military enabled by the wealth created by technology and the technology itself.

So if we live in a world where we have that same kind of shift, but it's China that is in the position of setting all the standards for everything, just like our world over the last 82 years is.

81 years has come to look more like America.

That world is going to look more like China.

And in a whole lot of ways, that's a pretty shitty world where the state tries to control individuals, where there isn't room for the basic rights and freedoms that we enjoy, where people are just living in fear.

And that's why it's so important that we stand up to China, for example, supporting Taiwan or stand up to Russia, supported by China, by supporting Ukraine.

There's a real world that has foundations.

And people don't feel those foundations every day, but those foundations are very real and they come from someplace real.

It's not a state of nature that we have these wonderful lives and the world is as peaceful as it has been over the last eight decades.

That is actually at odds with how humans have lived for a very long time.

And so if this breaks, and there's all kinds of ways that it could break, the world could be a much worse place.

And I absolutely, with all of the flaws, as you can tell, I'm not a huge fan of many, many things that are happening in our country right now.

And that's a critique of the right and the left.

But if we live in a world where China is setting the standard for everyone, or China and Russia and Iran and North Korea are setting the standards for, that's a much shittier world than the world that we have.

And leading every technological revolution, I think, is really important.

You and I have spoken at length about biotechnology.