Jamie Wall

Conflict might be a bit of an exaggerative word here.

But Steve Lancaster was in the room.

We asked him some questions about this.

He is so adamant of his position and he calls it a system lens was the language that he used.

And that's what NZR are applying to this.

Whereas Dave Rennie, a couple of times, and he did mention it in the public bit of the press conference as well, that he had penciled in Richie Mawanga to start for the All Blacks in that first year.

URC game against the Stormers in South Africa.

So there's kind of a wide gulf going on here.

You're not allowed to play him.

Well, I've got him down starting.

We're down here.

All of a sudden, the Warriors have won the NRL and we've already lost in South Africa.

I mean, I get the point, Jamie, but, you know, is it as simple as simply... Yes, it is.

Is it as simple as what Dave Rooney wants?

Dave Rooney should get this guy?

And in actual fact, I think they're all in agreeance with that.

Even Dave Rennie, Steve Hansen on the program a couple of weeks ago, everyone, even Graham Henry actually has tempered kind of his comments a little, saying that somewhere in the middle there, there has to be, you know, it's not the South African model.

It's got to be the New Zealand model and somewhere in the middle.

But we've already talked about this.

It was just simply the Mawanga issue.