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Jan Kulveit

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279 total appearances

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

Assume or imply the modal view is right 10 times, and your analysis holds in 0.6% worlds.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

In practice, this is usually not done explicitly, almost no one claims their analysis considers all important factors, but as a form of Mott and Bailey fallacy.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

The Mott is the math in the paper, follows from the assumptions and there are many of these.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

The Bailey other broad-stroke arguments, blog post summaries, tweets, and shorthand references, spreading way further without the hedging.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

In the worst cases, various assumptions made are contradictory or at least anti-correlated.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

For example, some economists assume comparative advantage generally preserves relevance of human labor and AIs are just a form of capital which can be bought and replicated.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

However, comparative advantage depends on opportunity costs.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

If you do X, you cannot do Y at the same time.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

The implicit assumption is you cannot just boot a copy of you.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

If you can, the opportunity cost is not something like the cost of your labor, but the cost of booting up another copy.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

If you assume future AGIs are similarly efficient substitutes for human labor as current AIs are for moderately boring copywriting, the basic comparative advantage model is consistent with labor price dropping 10,000x below minimum wage.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

While the comparative advantage model is still literally true, it does not have the same practical implications.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

Also while in the human case the comparative advantage model is usually not destroyed by frictions, if your labor is sufficiently low value, the effective price of human labor can be zero.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

For a human example, five-year-olds or people with severe mental disabilities unable to read are not actually employable in the modern economy.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

In the post-AGI economy, it is easy to predict frictions like humans operating at machine speeds or not understanding the directly communicated neural representations.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

What to do?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

To return to the opening metaphor, economic reasoning projects high-dimensional reality into a low-dimensional model.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

The hard work is choosing the projection.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

Post-AGI, we face a situation where the reality we are projecting may be different enough that projections calibrated on human economies systematically fail.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Post-AGI Economics As If Nothing Ever Happens" by Jan_Kulveit

The solution is usually to step back and bring more variables into the model.