Jan Van Maren

We're going to train with a few instructors and we give them advice. Of course, they don't have to take it with them, but Well, that's of course free of choice.

We're going to train with a few instructors and we give them advice. Of course, they don't have to take it with them, but Well, that's of course free of choice.

And we have one selection day. So at that day, they have to bring four dogs. They have to work four short programs, four long programs.

And we have one selection day. So at that day, they have to bring four dogs. They have to work four short programs, four long programs.

So they can have two of their own and two different dogs. Why to have to own dogs? Because the pressure is high on that kind of days and because it's a sort of competition between the helpers.

So they can have two of their own and two different dogs. Why to have to own dogs? Because the pressure is high on that kind of days and because it's a sort of competition between the helpers.

Well, it's a little bit of competition for the helpers who are getting the nicest trials. So the best helpers are getting the Dutch championships. So that's a motivation to work hard for something, at least if you want to. Right. So this year we probably we didn't choose the most technical ones, the most safe ones. Well, they are all safe because they're all good, but we choose for fight. So.

Well, it's a little bit of competition for the helpers who are getting the nicest trials. So the best helpers are getting the Dutch championships. So that's a motivation to work hard for something, at least if you want to. Right. So this year we probably we didn't choose the most technical ones, the most safe ones. Well, they are all safe because they're all good, but we choose for fight. So.

Well, pressure starts, of course, only with one thing is how is the helper going on the field? With what kind of mentality is he stepping on the field? Is he stepping on the field because 5000 people are filming? Oh, I may not make mistakes. It must look good because then we get some more trials. Or is he stepping on the field for now? Let's find out. And Well, I prefer the last thing.

Well, pressure starts, of course, only with one thing is how is the helper going on the field? With what kind of mentality is he stepping on the field? Is he stepping on the field because 5000 people are filming? Oh, I may not make mistakes. It must look good because then we get some more trials. Or is he stepping on the field for now? Let's find out. And Well, I prefer the last thing.

So if they... Well, what's the second? I think it starts with that.

So if they... Well, what's the second? I think it starts with that.

Yes, with the attitude. Because if you don't have the attitude, you cannot give pressure.

Yes, with the attitude. Because if you don't have the attitude, you cannot give pressure.

Yeah, I think it matters. How faster you go, the less time there is to test the dog.

Yeah, I think it matters. How faster you go, the less time there is to test the dog.

And how faster you are, there's always something more in motion than a dog can understand at that moment. So if you make the re-attack, if you make the drive and you're going really fast, it ends also really fast. Yeah. The protection is already a fast game. So, take the dog on the ground, bow over the dog, the stick presence.

And how faster you are, there's always something more in motion than a dog can understand at that moment. So if you make the re-attack, if you make the drive and you're going really fast, it ends also really fast. Yeah. The protection is already a fast game. So, take the dog on the ground, bow over the dog, the stick presence.

Yeah, and another typical thing is you already mentioned a little bit helpers are picking the dog up. Exactly how I said, picking the dogs up instead of making a real attack. with no moving sleeve and stick in front of the sleeve. Yeah.

Yeah, and another typical thing is you already mentioned a little bit helpers are picking the dog up. Exactly how I said, picking the dogs up instead of making a real attack. with no moving sleeve and stick in front of the sleeve. Yeah.

So I put the suit on, did it a couple of times, went back to football. And I think it took a half year when I came back to the club and never stopped doing helper work.

So I put the suit on, did it a couple of times, went back to football. And I think it took a half year when I came back to the club and never stopped doing helper work.

Yeah. And you also mentioned the place where the dog wants to be. So if you pick up a dog and you're going to start running and having the sleeve a little bit high, the dog is not going, cannot go anywhere. Yes.

Yeah. And you also mentioned the place where the dog wants to be. So if you pick up a dog and you're going to start running and having the sleeve a little bit high, the dog is not going, cannot go anywhere. Yes.

So what we try to teach the helpers in the Netherlands is work low with the dog on the ground, four paws on the ground, straight back and do everything with your legs and with your shoulders. And well, try to make it as dark as possible for the dog.

So what we try to teach the helpers in the Netherlands is work low with the dog on the ground, four paws on the ground, straight back and do everything with your legs and with your shoulders. And well, try to make it as dark as possible for the dog.

So for the long bite, the long bite is quite an exercise. Not really complex, but a lot of things happens in a very short amount of time. We have to deal with different things. So the mentality of the helper, is he ready? But what exercises can we teach to make it better? In the Netherlands, we teach helpers to make rotations. That is very good for the eye-hand coordination.

So for the long bite, the long bite is quite an exercise. Not really complex, but a lot of things happens in a very short amount of time. We have to deal with different things. So the mentality of the helper, is he ready? But what exercises can we teach to make it better? In the Netherlands, we teach helpers to make rotations. That is very good for the eye-hand coordination.

Yeah, the spinning, yeah. But not like a helicopter, but stepping away, make an explosion of power. with the dog on the ground and turn it to the other way and do that a couple of times. It helps a lot with eye-hand coordination, with your footwork. What helps in that kind of exercises, because a lot of things are happening, a lot of techniques are in one time.

Yeah, the spinning, yeah. But not like a helicopter, but stepping away, make an explosion of power. with the dog on the ground and turn it to the other way and do that a couple of times. It helps a lot with eye-hand coordination, with your footwork. What helps in that kind of exercises, because a lot of things are happening, a lot of techniques are in one time.

So that was, wow, that's a long time ago when I was 16, like 18 years ago. So being helper now for 18 years.

So that was, wow, that's a long time ago when I was 16, like 18 years ago. So being helper now for 18 years.

And also very important with teaching a helper the long bite is not stepping back.

And also very important with teaching a helper the long bite is not stepping back.

Well, there's a reason for it. If you step back with catching dogs, for most dogs it's okay because you're going backwards, sleeveless, a little bit in motion, but it's prey drive. Sure, sure, yes. Every movement backwards is prey drive, is giving the dog more energy, more motivation to get the sleeve. In terms of doing competition work, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, there's a reason for it. If you step back with catching dogs, for most dogs it's okay because you're going backwards, sleeveless, a little bit in motion, but it's prey drive. Sure, sure, yes. Every movement backwards is prey drive, is giving the dog more energy, more motivation to get the sleeve. In terms of doing competition work, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So if we prepare helpers to do competition, nothing may go backwards. Everything must be offensive. You are the leader. You are going to dictate the fight. So stepping backwards is not good.

So if we prepare helpers to do competition, nothing may go backwards. Everything must be offensive. You are the leader. You are going to dictate the fight. So stepping backwards is not good.

Yeah, so the benefits of stepping into the dog. So as I put your right foot in front, as it gives you the opportunity to move your hips away. So you can be a small person with the sleeve high, with the stock in front, because the whole posture will make it possible to catch the dog on a good way.

Yeah, so the benefits of stepping into the dog. So as I put your right foot in front, as it gives you the opportunity to move your hips away. So you can be a small person with the sleeve high, with the stock in front, because the whole posture will make it possible to catch the dog on a good way.

And of course, there are always some moments that it could be more supple and stuff, but it's contact sport.

And of course, there are always some moments that it could be more supple and stuff, but it's contact sport.

Yeah, and sometimes it happens and sometimes maybe you're a little bit too late or the dog is going inside or outside. Well, that's still the moment. And the many hours you do helper work, the better you can recognize that kind of behavior.

Yeah, and sometimes it happens and sometimes maybe you're a little bit too late or the dog is going inside or outside. Well, that's still the moment. And the many hours you do helper work, the better you can recognize that kind of behavior.

Well, teaching young dogs, young dogs must first have the confidence to take the sleeve, because if you look into the dog, for a dog, it needs to be a prey exercise.

Well, teaching young dogs, young dogs must first have the confidence to take the sleeve, because if you look into the dog, for a dog, it needs to be a prey exercise.

because if you if you don't make it a prey exercise they are going everywhere right and that that makes it hard to to teach a proper grip and and stuff so we are using um i am using uh with the young dogs yeah a lot of times half sleeves um But we try to change it as soon as possible to a normal sleep. Because you need to prepare. And it takes time. It takes repetitions.

because if you if you don't make it a prey exercise they are going everywhere right and that that makes it hard to to teach a proper grip and and stuff so we are using um i am using uh with the young dogs yeah a lot of times half sleeves um But we try to change it as soon as possible to a normal sleep. Because you need to prepare. And it takes time. It takes repetitions.

There are nice competitions and big competitions. So the biggest competitions I get was, of course, the World Championships in the Netherlands. Which year was that? 2017, right?

There are nice competitions and big competitions. So the biggest competitions I get was, of course, the World Championships in the Netherlands. Which year was that? 2017, right?

The movement is different.

The movement is different.

it does matter because if you have dogs that are very much in prey drive you have dogs that are easily triggered into frustration and stuff and my best experiences are dogs with a good prey drive but also a little bit easy to get in into frustration because if a dog is getting into frustration

it does matter because if you have dogs that are very much in prey drive you have dogs that are easily triggered into frustration and stuff and my best experiences are dogs with a good prey drive but also a little bit easy to get in into frustration because if a dog is getting into frustration

he really wants to do something what benefits his own so and if a dog is a little bit in frustration and having a good prey drive they are one one they want to reach something so well For me, that's the best combination in type of dog for teaching the long bites.

he really wants to do something what benefits his own so and if a dog is a little bit in frustration and having a good prey drive they are one one they want to reach something so well For me, that's the best combination in type of dog for teaching the long bites.

For dogs that are really in aggression and having difficulties to switch from aggression to prey drive or something like that, in first case, we focus on just catching something. So outside the body, because dogs that are in aggression it's a very thin line between confidence how much they can handle right yes so if you're having dogs in aggression and you let them

For dogs that are really in aggression and having difficulties to switch from aggression to prey drive or something like that, in first case, we focus on just catching something. So outside the body, because dogs that are in aggression it's a very thin line between confidence how much they can handle right yes so if you're having dogs in aggression and you let them

Yeah, that was a good one.

Yeah, that was a good one.

touch your body every time they are going to search for your body which make it in in later stadium different difficult to finish the exercise dedication right if they're not good jumpers being because they're aggressive or because they're unsure would you

touch your body every time they are going to search for your body which make it in in later stadium different difficult to finish the exercise dedication right if they're not good jumpers being because they're aggressive or because they're unsure would you

Well, there are some techniques to make a dog stronger in that point. If we go a little bit back in the time, we put the dog on a pole, we hit them and running back and send the dog straight after you. While it's hot, yeah. Yeah, so they experience... They experience some pressure, they experience a little bit of pain. Well, not pain, but getting physically touched.

Well, there are some techniques to make a dog stronger in that point. If we go a little bit back in the time, we put the dog on a pole, we hit them and running back and send the dog straight after you. While it's hot, yeah. Yeah, so they experience... They experience some pressure, they experience a little bit of pain. Well, not pain, but getting physically touched.

Yes, and then the helper is running away, so the dog wins there the fight.

Yes, and then the helper is running away, so the dog wins there the fight.

Yes, and get released and just getting something. And, well, it... It can bring good results, but they are still dogs, so not every time you can have the same result.

Yes, and get released and just getting something. And, well, it... It can bring good results, but they are still dogs, so not every time you can have the same result.

Well, for me, it really doesn't matter how far it is because after 10 meters, the dog is on speed. So the most handlers are very careful with their dogs, but for a dog, it doesn't really matter if it's like 10 meters or 50 meters. Maybe for the picture for the dog, it's different.

Well, for me, it really doesn't matter how far it is because after 10 meters, the dog is on speed. So the most handlers are very careful with their dogs, but for a dog, it doesn't really matter if it's like 10 meters or 50 meters. Maybe for the picture for the dog, it's different.

Well, you're trying to find the edges of what is still in the rules and what's not. Sometimes you're crossing a little bit over, but yeah, It's our world championship, so dogs need to be tested.

Well, you're trying to find the edges of what is still in the rules and what's not. Sometimes you're crossing a little bit over, but yeah, It's our world championship, so dogs need to be tested.

sometimes with teaching young dogs you're making short bites especially when you need to have a lot of repetitions so dogs are having problems to switch from prey drive to aggression the other way so you make a dog out getting a few meters away and let the dog just come but that's to build the prey drive there

sometimes with teaching young dogs you're making short bites especially when you need to have a lot of repetitions so dogs are having problems to switch from prey drive to aggression the other way so you make a dog out getting a few meters away and let the dog just come but that's to build the prey drive there

Yeah, and in dog sport, everything is about conditioning. Conditioning behavior, conditioning the exercises. So that's also for that kind of part in the program, of course. You cannot expect the same results if you never train it. Or not enough. In some ways, we make it more difficult for ourselves to change the picture for the dog than it needs to be.

Yeah, and in dog sport, everything is about conditioning. Conditioning behavior, conditioning the exercises. So that's also for that kind of part in the program, of course. You cannot expect the same results if you never train it. Or not enough. In some ways, we make it more difficult for ourselves to change the picture for the dog than it needs to be.

Well, with young dogs, we're using it always to start. Because you need to evaluate the behaviors that the dog is showing. And if a handler is having the leash and it gets the leash at the wrong time.

Well, with young dogs, we're using it always to start. Because you need to evaluate the behaviors that the dog is showing. And if a handler is having the leash and it gets the leash at the wrong time.

Yeah, and the biggest problem is you don't know exactly what the dog should have reacted. Right. Because you're doing something to get a result. You're not doing things to look back and say, oh, he did that. No, you're doing things because you know a dog's going to give that reaction what you can reward to improve the behavior. Well, that's the way I think we should think.

Yeah, and the biggest problem is you don't know exactly what the dog should have reacted. Right. Because you're doing something to get a result. You're not doing things to look back and say, oh, he did that. No, you're doing things because you know a dog's going to give that reaction what you can reward to improve the behavior. Well, that's the way I think we should think.

you do some part of the education for the helpers in in netherlands right yeah now since since one and a half years uh i think uh first uh together with vincent the helper course um invited to do another one later this year so Well, looking forward to it. And also the judging commission now since, well, the last examination.

you do some part of the education for the helpers in in netherlands right yeah now since since one and a half years uh i think uh first uh together with vincent the helper course um invited to do another one later this year so Well, looking forward to it. And also the judging commission now since, well, the last examination.

Well, I think every dog is different. Every dog reacts different. Like I would tell you, like my thinking is when... So if a dog... Some dogs need to be encouraged to... To wake it up, right? But I don't see a lot of benefits for a dog that... as doing it genetically easier. I like what you're saying. There are more things than chasing someone away in our program.

Well, I think every dog is different. Every dog reacts different. Like I would tell you, like my thinking is when... So if a dog... Some dogs need to be encouraged to... To wake it up, right? But I don't see a lot of benefits for a dog that... as doing it genetically easier. I like what you're saying. There are more things than chasing someone away in our program.

Dogs are evaluated on grips and stuff. And you can use that kind of methods, but without knowledge how dogs learn, how dogs react, well, maybe you're shaping a behavior that that you eventually not want.

Dogs are evaluated on grips and stuff. And you can use that kind of methods, but without knowledge how dogs learn, how dogs react, well, maybe you're shaping a behavior that that you eventually not want.

Because if dogs chasing a helper continuously away and getting high in aggression and you don't have the knowledge how to teach a proper grip, then you're going to have a big problem with the grips and probably the outs and the control with the handler and et cetera, et cetera.

Because if dogs chasing a helper continuously away and getting high in aggression and you don't have the knowledge how to teach a proper grip, then you're going to have a big problem with the grips and probably the outs and the control with the handler and et cetera, et cetera.

And yeah, that's also a problem in the sport that we are doing. In these times, people want to look good. instead of enjoying to teach dog things, to experience different faces and trying new things. Well, it's sport that we're practicing, so it's not all written in a book how to get every type of dog, that kind of result.

And yeah, that's also a problem in the sport that we are doing. In these times, people want to look good. instead of enjoying to teach dog things, to experience different faces and trying new things. Well, it's sport that we're practicing, so it's not all written in a book how to get every type of dog, that kind of result.

You have to process it by yourself and helpers are getting better with trying things and be sharp on what the results are and Well, just experiencing the dog sport, how it should be with different phases, different drives, the different motions, the different exercises.

You have to process it by yourself and helpers are getting better with trying things and be sharp on what the results are and Well, just experiencing the dog sport, how it should be with different phases, different drives, the different motions, the different exercises.

The more exercises you're doing, the more insight you get from a dog and the more you can learn from a dog and the better you will be as helper. Right. Also at trials.

The more exercises you're doing, the more insight you get from a dog and the more you can learn from a dog and the better you will be as helper. Right. Also at trials.

We start quite early. We start quite early. What is obedience exactly? Maybe the first couple of times, if a puppy is very little, we're going to let it chase the jute and stuff. And let's see if he gets a bite or no bite. Because every dog is different. When it's in the dog, we take always a moment of rest. So they teach all other kinds of things. And after like seven, eight months, when a dog...

We start quite early. We start quite early. What is obedience exactly? Maybe the first couple of times, if a puppy is very little, we're going to let it chase the jute and stuff. And let's see if he gets a bite or no bite. Because every dog is different. When it's in the dog, we take always a moment of rest. So they teach all other kinds of things. And after like seven, eight months, when a dog...

When we think a dog can make a relationship between prey drive and aggression and can handle that kind of behavior, then we're going to start doing protection again. And yeah, the dog needs to sit and needs to watch.

When we think a dog can make a relationship between prey drive and aggression and can handle that kind of behavior, then we're going to start doing protection again. And yeah, the dog needs to sit and needs to watch.

Yeah. Yeah. And you can make a break in between exercises. So it's not continuously bite, bite, bite, bite, but also a few moments of rest for a dog so that the dog can relativate. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And you can make a break in between exercises. So it's not continuously bite, bite, bite, bite, but also a few moments of rest for a dog so that the dog can relativate. Yeah.

I have two opinions. One as someone who really enjoys if someone gets a lot of success and looks good, so points wise. As a helper it's nice to do it by yourself. Yeah, that's why I'm a helper and I love the sport. Yeah. But, well... As a non-helper,

I have two opinions. One as someone who really enjoys if someone gets a lot of success and looks good, so points wise. As a helper it's nice to do it by yourself. Yeah, that's why I'm a helper and I love the sport. Yeah. But, well... As a non-helper,

Because you get a lot of repetitions... As earlier mentioned, it's all about conditioning. Conditioning behavior, conditioning behavior, conditioning behavior. And in the end, for a dog, it's easier to recognize the situation.

Because you get a lot of repetitions... As earlier mentioned, it's all about conditioning. Conditioning behavior, conditioning behavior, conditioning behavior. And in the end, for a dog, it's easier to recognize the situation.

Well, the interest is not very high. There are new people coming and staying. And surprisingly, because of the membership is getting down, the number of helpers are, well, not going that bad. Okay, okay. So that's cool.

Well, the interest is not very high. There are new people coming and staying. And surprisingly, because of the membership is getting down, the number of helpers are, well, not going that bad. Okay, okay. So that's cool.

And it makes you... you're rewarding faster and more clear for a dog, because the dog knows the exercise, the dog knows how to react. I've seen that before, I know what to do with it. Yes, it knows the picture, so you can make steps.

And it makes you... you're rewarding faster and more clear for a dog, because the dog knows the exercise, the dog knows how to react. I've seen that before, I know what to do with it. Yes, it knows the picture, so you can make steps.

Well, the bite exercises, if handlers doing it by their own, they want to make it look good. So they don't want to let the dog make mistakes. What I understand, of course, because they want to get result, but well,

Well, the bite exercises, if handlers doing it by their own, they want to make it look good. So they don't want to let the dog make mistakes. What I understand, of course, because they want to get result, but well,

um a helper that is focused on getting the best out of the dog raising the bar always and making the dog hey it's not so easy yes so it's not bad if if dog slips a half off in a training because of you making a motion or something else because well um the second time the dog is not going to let him surprise the second time. So then the whole exercise is improving again instead of not improving.

um a helper that is focused on getting the best out of the dog raising the bar always and making the dog hey it's not so easy yes so it's not bad if if dog slips a half off in a training because of you making a motion or something else because well um the second time the dog is not going to let him surprise the second time. So then the whole exercise is improving again instead of not improving.

My opinion about barking is a dog is going to bark because it gets frustrated most of the times. So if it's getting frustrated because of not getting the sleeve or getting frustrated because of not getting the ball, I think a good train you can have almost a copy of the behavior. Mm-hmm.

My opinion about barking is a dog is going to bark because it gets frustrated most of the times. So if it's getting frustrated because of not getting the sleeve or getting frustrated because of not getting the ball, I think a good train you can have almost a copy of the behavior. Mm-hmm.

Do you think sometimes some dogs, like I... I've seen really good results with dogs that were... Taught by the owner. Yeah. With very intense guarding and stuff without seeing a difference between, well, dogs that are taught by helpers.

Do you think sometimes some dogs, like I... I've seen really good results with dogs that were... Taught by the owner. Yeah. With very intense guarding and stuff without seeing a difference between, well, dogs that are taught by helpers.

And I, um, To teach dog, it's quite something, of course. Being a helper, it's already quite difficult because all of the movements, all of the techniques you need to know, then doing it in different situations, different circumstances. And, well, it would be perfect if a helper knows how a dog learns and how to understand behaviors of a dog.

And I, um, To teach dog, it's quite something, of course. Being a helper, it's already quite difficult because all of the movements, all of the techniques you need to know, then doing it in different situations, different circumstances. And, well, it would be perfect if a helper knows how a dog learns and how to understand behaviors of a dog.

So what we need in sport is that we have helpers that also understand how dogs behave. learning that the dog learns with associations, combined signals, and baconed with commands. Right. I think it's difficult to get a result if you don't understand it. So sometimes maybe it's even better if a handler is teaching some exercises, but the actual bite work, well, the best thing would be by helpers.

So what we need in sport is that we have helpers that also understand how dogs behave. learning that the dog learns with associations, combined signals, and baconed with commands. Right. I think it's difficult to get a result if you don't understand it. So sometimes maybe it's even better if a handler is teaching some exercises, but the actual bite work, well, the best thing would be by helpers.

I think the re-attack. The re-attack. The re-attack.

I think the re-attack. The re-attack. The re-attack.

Well, as earlier mentioned, if a dog really wants to get something, you can use a little bit of frustration. So make a dog wanting to have it really, really, really bad.

Well, as earlier mentioned, if a dog really wants to get something, you can use a little bit of frustration. So make a dog wanting to have it really, really, really bad.

If a dog really wants to have the sleeve and you get a little bit in frustration having the leash on and let him miss one time or two times in combination with a lot of movement, so the dog is getting very excited, then the dog is going to... to recognize the picture of getting in frustration and a possibility of should I get it or shouldn't I get it?

If a dog really wants to have the sleeve and you get a little bit in frustration having the leash on and let him miss one time or two times in combination with a lot of movement, so the dog is getting very excited, then the dog is going to... to recognize the picture of getting in frustration and a possibility of should I get it or shouldn't I get it?

And that balance, I think it's important to get a very confident re-attack because if a dog does not really know if he gets it, but he really wants to have it, he's going to give a lot of energy for getting it.

And that balance, I think it's important to get a very confident re-attack because if a dog does not really know if he gets it, but he really wants to have it, he's going to give a lot of energy for getting it.

Yeah, it's good if you can recognize it. That makes you a good helper or a helper that needs some extra education or something. But that should be one of the things a helper must see for making the moment of doing the re-attack.

Yeah, it's good if you can recognize it. That makes you a good helper or a helper that needs some extra education or something. But that should be one of the things a helper must see for making the moment of doing the re-attack.

Yeah, so that's why we need to teach our trial helpers much better. Just to select that behavior and to give a hard re-attack with a lot of emotion, with everything a helper has in his body. Just to make it happen that it's visual, that... Well, the dog doesn't have it, in fact. Right. And we forget to teach helpers that kind of things.

Yeah, so that's why we need to teach our trial helpers much better. Just to select that behavior and to give a hard re-attack with a lot of emotion, with everything a helper has in his body. Just to make it happen that it's visual, that... Well, the dog doesn't have it, in fact. Right. And we forget to teach helpers that kind of things.

Yeah, and understanding how a dog is as a dog. Yeah, I think so. There's also a little trap in it because the weaker dogs,

Yeah, and understanding how a dog is as a dog. Yeah, I think so. There's also a little trap in it because the weaker dogs,

you cannot have uh continuously pressure on on a dog that cannot handle it right so sometimes you have you have to help it through uh some faces and well the trap is to not stay in that kind of uh training yes so they can they have to grow they have to grow yeah if they are not growing well then but overall what i

you cannot have uh continuously pressure on on a dog that cannot handle it right so sometimes you have you have to help it through uh some faces and well the trap is to not stay in that kind of uh training yes so they can they have to grow they have to grow yeah if they are not growing well then but overall what i

Well, I feel bad because this ticket is necessary in my eyes to give the final touch to the judge how a dog is going to react. I really don't understand why they took it off because... Right, they didn't have to.

Well, I feel bad because this ticket is necessary in my eyes to give the final touch to the judge how a dog is going to react. I really don't understand why they took it off because... Right, they didn't have to.

No, it makes you a monkey that can do a routine. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, really. Yeah. I really love dog sport. I really love to work with dogs, to do helper work. Yeah. If you're not working with weaker dogs, you cannot recognize some behavior things. Because there is always a moment that you can recognize, maybe the dog is not in his best form now. And you cannot anticipate on it.

No, it makes you a monkey that can do a routine. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, really. Yeah. I really love dog sport. I really love to work with dogs, to do helper work. Yeah. If you're not working with weaker dogs, you cannot recognize some behavior things. Because there is always a moment that you can recognize, maybe the dog is not in his best form now. And you cannot anticipate on it.

And dog sport is also about anticipation to be ahead of the dog. What's already quite difficult.

And dog sport is also about anticipation to be ahead of the dog. What's already quite difficult.

I really like to improve grips and stuff, to teach it, to make the rotations, to make it very dynamic. That gives me a lot of energy, that gives me a lot of joy. And it's also very rewarding because if you're working on it, it almost have always a result. When you see the result, right? Yeah, there's almost always, because there's a lot of things going on.

I really like to improve grips and stuff, to teach it, to make the rotations, to make it very dynamic. That gives me a lot of energy, that gives me a lot of joy. And it's also very rewarding because if you're working on it, it almost have always a result. When you see the result, right? Yeah, there's almost always, because there's a lot of things going on.

So dogs are feeling better if they're hanging on.

So dogs are feeling better if they're hanging on.

Well, I think really starting with part of the program and really teaching is about a month of eight, nine months. Because in the period before that, and you're working on drives, you don't really know how a dog is examining his behavior. Right. Being aware of what he's doing.

Well, I think really starting with part of the program and really teaching is about a month of eight, nine months. Because in the period before that, and you're working on drives, you don't really know how a dog is examining his behavior. Right. Being aware of what he's doing.

So there are a lot of years, there are rules to give stick hits. So it's investigated if it harm a dog or not.

So there are a lot of years, there are rules to give stick hits. So it's investigated if it harm a dog or not.

Wow. Yeah, what is a good age? Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, what is a good age? Yeah.

That's an important one. Some desire, right? Something. Because if a dog doesn't want to hunt something, it's getting a little bit more difficult to get it in the correct frustration. And not the frustration for I want to go away, but the frustration of I really want to have something. So...

That's an important one. Some desire, right? Something. Because if a dog doesn't want to hunt something, it's getting a little bit more difficult to get it in the correct frustration. And not the frustration for I want to go away, but the frustration of I really want to have something. So...

So in my opinion, there is no reason to take away this, that they took away the stick hits. But yeah...

So in my opinion, there is no reason to take away this, that they took away the stick hits. But yeah...

that's the first thing well what what i check with uh if dogs coming on the field and what i really want to recognize or want to see because that's one of the most important things what about um like there's sometimes dogs that

that's the first thing well what what i check with uh if dogs coming on the field and what i really want to recognize or want to see because that's one of the most important things what about um like there's sometimes dogs that

Sometimes you need to give the dog some time as well. Right. With some dogs you need to build confidence in the start. Well, maybe it's looking some time away. We had it today as well. There was a young dog that never did something and it's looking away and it's going to her handler and stuff. But in the end, because you're focusing on the good things and ignoring all that other kind of thing.

Sometimes you need to give the dog some time as well. Right. With some dogs you need to build confidence in the start. Well, maybe it's looking some time away. We had it today as well. There was a young dog that never did something and it's looking away and it's going to her handler and stuff. But in the end, because you're focusing on the good things and ignoring all that other kind of thing.

So the dog is growing over it quite fast. And then you see the second session that the dog has way more drive. And starts to believe more in itself, right? Yeah. And then it's beneficial to get something.

So the dog is growing over it quite fast. And then you see the second session that the dog has way more drive. And starts to believe more in itself, right? Yeah. And then it's beneficial to get something.

And those dogs are actually quite nice to work with. Right.

And those dogs are actually quite nice to work with. Right.

And it's like. Yes. And as helper, you need to be sharp with that kind of dogs because you need to see everything what's going on, what's happening, how's the dog reacting and stuff. It makes you a really good helper, I think.

And it's like. Yes. And as helper, you need to be sharp with that kind of dogs because you need to see everything what's going on, what's happening, how's the dog reacting and stuff. It makes you a really good helper, I think.

two, three times a week. Two, three times a week. Just to get all the repetitions that you eventually need to... Yeah, to get to a certain stage in it, right? Yes, to get to a certain stage and to manage, to really manage the behavior. Because to manage a behavior, you need to have many repetitions in certain situations.

two, three times a week. Two, three times a week. Just to get all the repetitions that you eventually need to... Yeah, to get to a certain stage in it, right? Yes, to get to a certain stage and to manage, to really manage the behavior. Because to manage a behavior, you need to have many repetitions in certain situations.

Well, if a dog is running out a little bit, then I think then it's not challenging enough. So a dog will always need to be challenged. And if you're staying like a half year with one exercise, then it's never going to improve because there are no... Yes, it's like playing chess, just moving one piece, right?

Well, if a dog is running out a little bit, then I think then it's not challenging enough. So a dog will always need to be challenged. And if you're staying like a half year with one exercise, then it's never going to improve because there are no... Yes, it's like playing chess, just moving one piece, right?

So sometimes, even if you add up to that, the dog cannot go further, but sometimes you need to make the step to make all other things better again. And the focus is not going to be on that point anymore.

So sometimes, even if you add up to that, the dog cannot go further, but sometimes you need to make the step to make all other things better again. And the focus is not going to be on that point anymore.

No, no, I think so as well. But my, my preference is, uh, because, uh, uh, uh, I grew up with dog sport at the German shepherd club with German shepherds. Um, My preference is going to that because as helper you're using other techniques a little bit if you're used to work German Shepherds or Malinois. So tell me more about this. This is interesting.

No, no, I think so as well. But my, my preference is, uh, because, uh, uh, uh, I grew up with dog sport at the German shepherd club with German shepherds. Um, My preference is going to that because as helper you're using other techniques a little bit if you're used to work German Shepherds or Malinois. So tell me more about this. This is interesting.

Well, for example, the athleticism from a Malinois for the long bite. So as helper you're going to the dog and With almost every helper, if you watch trials, the sleeve is a little bit to the side of the body.

Well, for example, the athleticism from a Malinois for the long bite. So as helper you're going to the dog and With almost every helper, if you watch trials, the sleeve is a little bit to the side of the body.

Yes, or maybe it's the problem that the sleeve is on the side, that they are walking, so not one stable position, because... Even in the long bite, if you're coming across the corner and you give the signal that you're there and you're moving the sleeve, it's still prey drive again. Right. So that's another discussion. But if you compare the athleticism of a Malinois that can turn in like...

Yes, or maybe it's the problem that the sleeve is on the side, that they are walking, so not one stable position, because... Even in the long bite, if you're coming across the corner and you give the signal that you're there and you're moving the sleeve, it's still prey drive again. Right. So that's another discussion. But if you compare the athleticism of a Malinois that can turn in like...

a half meter in front of you to the other side yeah cut you off yeah yeah yeah so the footwork is different so with the german shepherd you can recognize quite early uh which uh which side he which side he is going to choose so you have a little bit more time to to prepare yourself and and stuff and and in the end it's all uh in this but with the with the malinois

a half meter in front of you to the other side yeah cut you off yeah yeah yeah so the footwork is different so with the german shepherd you can recognize quite early uh which uh which side he which side he is going to choose so you have a little bit more time to to prepare yourself and and stuff and and in the end it's all uh in this but with the with the malinois

I make my steps always much shorter so I can always move a little quicker and be ready. Just be more prepared that the dog can choose the other way.

I make my steps always much shorter so I can always move a little quicker and be ready. Just be more prepared that the dog can choose the other way.

Yeah, you know, the good thing about a stick hit was you can do it on different times. So you make the re-attack, you're going into the pressure phase, and if a dog gives a reaction, it may be not after four steps or five steps, but maybe after two steps. It's still legal to give a stick hit at that moment, and that are the moments where a judge can... see something's going on here. Right.

Yeah, you know, the good thing about a stick hit was you can do it on different times. So you make the re-attack, you're going into the pressure phase, and if a dog gives a reaction, it may be not after four steps or five steps, but maybe after two steps. It's still legal to give a stick hit at that moment, and that are the moments where a judge can... see something's going on here. Right.

I'm working in the beginning way more passive than with the German Shepherd, just trying to give them confidence, confidence, confidence.

I'm working in the beginning way more passive than with the German Shepherd, just trying to give them confidence, confidence, confidence.

Yes, you need to teach the grips and stuff. You need to teach the confidence. So also with the Mali, sometimes it's difficult to recognize, but a lot of Malinois are coming really, really fast. But, well, maybe 70% is not secure of their own. So they are getting on speed and they are going to make that bite, yeah, maybe with different intentions. The intention is different.

Yes, you need to teach the grips and stuff. You need to teach the confidence. So also with the Mali, sometimes it's difficult to recognize, but a lot of Malinois are coming really, really fast. But, well, maybe 70% is not secure of their own. So they are getting on speed and they are going to make that bite, yeah, maybe with different intentions. The intention is different.

And, well, my opinion is at the most, well, I'm happy not so many accidents happen, but... If it happens, it's most of the times that kind of dogs that are limping afterwards.

And, well, my opinion is at the most, well, I'm happy not so many accidents happen, but... If it happens, it's most of the times that kind of dogs that are limping afterwards.

Well, I don't think that there's a lot of differences in we need to manage that that kind of things so if a dog is giving too much energy in the beginning maybe you should make the exercises longer so so the dog is going um to get used to how to to pace yes um yeah

Well, I don't think that there's a lot of differences in we need to manage that that kind of things so if a dog is giving too much energy in the beginning maybe you should make the exercises longer so so the dog is going um to get used to how to to pace yes um yeah

endurance between the malinois and german shepherd german shepherds can also run out of gas quite early quite fast if they are not in shape i think they are more that's true that's actually true a lot of times um

endurance between the malinois and german shepherd german shepherds can also run out of gas quite early quite fast if they are not in shape i think they are more that's true that's actually true a lot of times um

Yeah, they have to give the energy. Right. And I think Malinois is genetically... They should handle it a little bit easier. Physically, but mentally they burn. Yeah, that's why we start quite easy with teaching the bite work.

Yeah, they have to give the energy. Right. And I think Malinois is genetically... They should handle it a little bit easier. Physically, but mentally they burn. Yeah, that's why we start quite easy with teaching the bite work.

And well, they took away that

And well, they took away that

Yeah, it's been good.

Yeah, it's been good.

Well, it helps. It helps if you're fit and if you can make the dynamic moves and can have the athleticism to let the dog miss and stuff. Because that's also a little bit about speed and timing and... But on the other hand, I've also seen very good results with people who weren't that fit and kind of things. And I'm also not really fit.

Well, it helps. It helps if you're fit and if you can make the dynamic moves and can have the athleticism to let the dog miss and stuff. Because that's also a little bit about speed and timing and... But on the other hand, I've also seen very good results with people who weren't that fit and kind of things. And I'm also not really fit.

No, the dog has to move you. Well, that would be an optimal picture, that the dog is going to move you, is trying to make the program which you have chosen.

No, the dog has to move you. Well, that would be an optimal picture, that the dog is going to move you, is trying to make the program which you have chosen.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. If... You always must have in mind the end result that you want to get. The end result is also not a helper that is jumping around everything. That's just doing the program with certain exercises. Yeah. Jumping around to get the attention of the dog is not giving you an excellent guarding. An excellent guarding is a dog that wants to move you away from him.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. If... You always must have in mind the end result that you want to get. The end result is also not a helper that is jumping around everything. That's just doing the program with certain exercises. Yeah. Jumping around to get the attention of the dog is not giving you an excellent guarding. An excellent guarding is a dog that wants to move you away from him.

Yes, I have. It depends if the dog is getting ready for competitions or not. So if we're preparing a dog for a competition season, my preference is to put the dog two months in front in program. and make little changes in the program just to keep the dog sharp. Interesting, yeah.

Yes, I have. It depends if the dog is getting ready for competitions or not. So if we're preparing a dog for a competition season, my preference is to put the dog two months in front in program. and make little changes in the program just to keep the dog sharp. Interesting, yeah.

Because if you're not doing it, the dog is always trying to find his own benefit in a certain exercise after a lot of repetitions. A dog is going to find a way out of something. And well, if you haven't worked through that kind of things... it may pop up at the trial, what you don't want.

Because if you're not doing it, the dog is always trying to find his own benefit in a certain exercise after a lot of repetitions. A dog is going to find a way out of something. And well, if you haven't worked through that kind of things... it may pop up at the trial, what you don't want.

If the trial season is over, then you can, well, in between you can also do training, different things, but the dog, well, we have the best results for dogs that are prepared and knowing what they have to do, but need to wait. till the command comes.

If the trial season is over, then you can, well, in between you can also do training, different things, but the dog, well, we have the best results for dogs that are prepared and knowing what they have to do, but need to wait. till the command comes.

And... Well, and dogs that are not in season, yeah. If dogs are not in season, it means that they are not ready for a season. So then you're working on behaviors that need to improve to get there. Right, right.

And... Well, and dogs that are not in season, yeah. If dogs are not in season, it means that they are not ready for a season. So then you're working on behaviors that need to improve to get there. Right, right.

Yeah, you need to manage the behavior. So... If teach the dog correctly, you must see what is showing in three trainings. So you need to have to work to that point because then a dog is showing some different behavior than you want. And then you can act on it. You kind of want to know if you have it or not. It needs to happen.

Yeah, you need to manage the behavior. So... If teach the dog correctly, you must see what is showing in three trainings. So you need to have to work to that point because then a dog is showing some different behavior than you want. And then you can act on it. You kind of want to know if you have it or not. It needs to happen.

Yeah, yeah. I have no problems with jet lag and stuff.

Yeah, yeah. I have no problems with jet lag and stuff.

It needs to happen because if you're avoiding that point... You're going for surprise, right?

It needs to happen because if you're avoiding that point... You're going for surprise, right?

Yeah. In training, you need those mistakes. to make the end result better. So, yeah, of course, all the things you need to manage that behavior needs on the dog.

Yeah. In training, you need those mistakes. to make the end result better. So, yeah, of course, all the things you need to manage that behavior needs on the dog.

Well, I'm curious about the different ways to put extra pressure then.

Well, I'm curious about the different ways to put extra pressure then.

In my opinion, the dog needs to be in center in front of the helper.

In my opinion, the dog needs to be in center in front of the helper.

Just no question about it. There is no reason, right? No, no. For me, no. And... Well, I'm not going to change my re-attack for a dog that is teached to bark here. So if the dog's barking at the point that, well... It's not ready to go.

Just no question about it. There is no reason, right? No, no. For me, no. And... Well, I'm not going to change my re-attack for a dog that is teached to bark here. So if the dog's barking at the point that, well... It's not ready to go.

Well, that's a good question.

Well, that's a good question.

Well, not so much when already in the fight. And while the stick hits, given properly, it brings you in a position as helper with the dog on the ground. It gives you the opportunity to give the dog a stick hit for having the pressure so the dog is under you. It's good. You're creating a dark hole. And now with it, without the stick hits, it's gone. The helpers are getting up.

Well, not so much when already in the fight. And while the stick hits, given properly, it brings you in a position as helper with the dog on the ground. It gives you the opportunity to give the dog a stick hit for having the pressure so the dog is under you. It's good. You're creating a dark hole. And now with it, without the stick hits, it's gone. The helpers are getting up.

Right. And... The situation must be safe as well. So if a dog is barking here and it's nearly touching the helper, well, I think it's a reasonable call for the judge to say something from that.

Right. And... The situation must be safe as well. So if a dog is barking here and it's nearly touching the helper, well, I think it's a reasonable call for the judge to say something from that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if I'm answering correctly what you want, but I like to see that the helpers are getting meaner. So it's also so correct and also strict.

I don't know if I'm answering correctly what you want, but I like to see that the helpers are getting meaner. So it's also so correct and also strict.

um everybody's happy about it but i think that's the biggest problem we have not having the challenge of yeah like hey i'm against you we need to be mean uh if a dog was hesitating on the re-attack why not pulling the sleeve a little bit aside and stepping in from okay now what you have yeah

um everybody's happy about it but i think that's the biggest problem we have not having the challenge of yeah like hey i'm against you we need to be mean uh if a dog was hesitating on the re-attack why not pulling the sleeve a little bit aside and stepping in from okay now what you have yeah

still within I miss that kind of things helpers that have that attitude already before the first dog even started and and yeah If you see the attack out of back transport, that is not even attack anymore out of back transport. The helpers are turning around and stepping backwards and waiting for the dog to come. Originally, it's the exercise to turn around and hit the handler. Very true.

still within I miss that kind of things helpers that have that attitude already before the first dog even started and and yeah If you see the attack out of back transport, that is not even attack anymore out of back transport. The helpers are turning around and stepping backwards and waiting for the dog to come. Originally, it's the exercise to turn around and hit the handler. Very true.

And we need to chase that kind of things in helpers again. Turn around and run into the dog and stick in front and have to sleeve against your body because the dog is not going to have that speed as on the long bite.

And we need to chase that kind of things in helpers again. Turn around and run into the dog and stick in front and have to sleeve against your body because the dog is not going to have that speed as on the long bite.

You need to go to the handler. You need to hit the handler. You need to have that attitude from, okay, I'm going to hit the handler to the ground. That's a good one. And that's the only intention you need to have there. And you can only hit the handler for his mouth if you have your hand in front of you, the sleeve in the correct position, and it's just go.

You need to go to the handler. You need to hit the handler. You need to have that attitude from, okay, I'm going to hit the handler to the ground. That's a good one. And that's the only intention you need to have there. And you can only hit the handler for his mouth if you have your hand in front of you, the sleeve in the correct position, and it's just go.

Yeah, that's a good one. It's been like how many years for five steps? Right.

Yeah, that's a good one. It's been like how many years for five steps? Right.

So the pressure is going away.

So the pressure is going away.

Yeah, some dogs are getting stronger also from it. Yeah. Because it's also a form of support.

Yeah, some dogs are getting stronger also from it. Yeah. Because it's also a form of support.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, but if you look at trials and thinking about dogs getting injured, well, For a helper it's not his problem at that point.

Yeah, but if you look at trials and thinking about dogs getting injured, well, For a helper it's not his problem at that point.

the helper needs to be there on the field to make a fight to be there as gladiator and of course he needs to be capable of it but that's why we need to evaluate the helpers from time to time and set the bar very high for high competition helpers so that you know you have good helpers so that the chance of getting injured dogs is as less as possible, but there needs to be a fight.

the helper needs to be there on the field to make a fight to be there as gladiator and of course he needs to be capable of it but that's why we need to evaluate the helpers from time to time and set the bar very high for high competition helpers so that you know you have good helpers so that the chance of getting injured dogs is as less as possible, but there needs to be a fight.

There just needs to be a fight. And, well, as earlier mentioned, we need to get mean again. Yeah. We need to search the dog. We need to step into the dog. And, well, who gives a shit if you give the stick pressure and you touch the dog by... by accident?

There just needs to be a fight. And, well, as earlier mentioned, we need to get mean again. Yeah. We need to search the dog. We need to step into the dog. And, well, who gives a shit if you give the stick pressure and you touch the dog by... by accident?

Well, yeah. When we teach helpers for a long bite, we also always say, okay, you stand on both feet next to each other, put the sleeve in front of you with some air in between the sleeve and the body and just catch it. And, well, that's a good thing, but... The step after that part is put your wrong foot in front of you and just step with your other foot in and create the same thing.

Well, yeah. When we teach helpers for a long bite, we also always say, okay, you stand on both feet next to each other, put the sleeve in front of you with some air in between the sleeve and the body and just catch it. And, well, that's a good thing, but... The step after that part is put your wrong foot in front of you and just step with your other foot in and create the same thing.

And stepping back in the catching, it gives also too much space for the helper to turn it out. Because if you step into the dog and the dog is coming into the sleeve, you have much more momentum to get the dog to the ground again. So you're stronger. the nature is going to be with you.

And stepping back in the catching, it gives also too much space for the helper to turn it out. Because if you step into the dog and the dog is coming into the sleeve, you have much more momentum to get the dog to the ground again. So you're stronger. the nature is going to be with you.

So then you can put the dog on the ground and give pressure way earlier than stepping backwards and need to make a whole circle to manage it for having the dog on the ground.

So then you can put the dog on the ground and give pressure way earlier than stepping backwards and need to make a whole circle to manage it for having the dog on the ground.

Yeah, if you recognize that kind of things and if you're stable enough in the head, you should... Getting less fast to the dog.

Yeah, if you recognize that kind of things and if you're stable enough in the head, you should... Getting less fast to the dog.

Yeah, so not speed up. Because if you're going to speed up as helper, then... Well, then you're hiding that kind of things. And that's very valuable for a judge to see. So take the speed back and push more. More threat in front of the dog. So you expose it. Yes, and in the most circumstances, you don't even have to turn it out.

Yeah, so not speed up. Because if you're going to speed up as helper, then... Well, then you're hiding that kind of things. And that's very valuable for a judge to see. So take the speed back and push more. More threat in front of the dog. So you expose it. Yes, and in the most circumstances, you don't even have to turn it out.

Because if the dog doesn't have any speed, why should you make a turn? Yeah, very good point. So the dog is coming on the sleeve. We want to chase that dog away because that dog is not good enough at that moment. So we take it on the body.

Because if the dog doesn't have any speed, why should you make a turn? Yeah, very good point. So the dog is coming on the sleeve. We want to chase that dog away because that dog is not good enough at that moment. So we take it on the body.

There's no need. And the same thing with the attack out of back transport. I almost see no helper anymore.

There's no need. And the same thing with the attack out of back transport. I almost see no helper anymore.

that that is running into the dog with a lot of pressure and a lot of them making a full 360 turn for no reason yes no reason no it's it's running in dog is on the sleeve directly going in the pressure phase that's how a proper attack out of that transport because if you if you for no reason have to do this it's prey drive then

that that is running into the dog with a lot of pressure and a lot of them making a full 360 turn for no reason yes no reason no it's it's running in dog is on the sleeve directly going in the pressure phase that's how a proper attack out of that transport because if you if you for no reason have to do this it's prey drive then

But, well, it's easy to talk, of course, from the sideline now.

But, well, it's easy to talk, of course, from the sideline now.

Um, well,

Um, well,

I don't think that. By time to time, I like to see if helpers are sometimes getting a little bit too far in things. Of course, The helper must be able to do things. Right. That's the beginning of everything. You need to be able of doing your technical things before making pressure. Because if you have a lot of technique and no pressure, that's no fight.

I don't think that. By time to time, I like to see if helpers are sometimes getting a little bit too far in things. Of course, The helper must be able to do things. Right. That's the beginning of everything. You need to be able of doing your technical things before making pressure. Because if you have a lot of technique and no pressure, that's no fight.

But if you have a lot of pressure and no technique, it's chaos.

But if you have a lot of pressure and no technique, it's chaos.

the mentality of the helper. How hard does he want to work for it? If the technique is there, of course, the moment of presenting the sleeve, the movement of the sleeve, the position of the wedge. And that kind of that is very, very important.

the mentality of the helper. How hard does he want to work for it? If the technique is there, of course, the moment of presenting the sleeve, the movement of the sleeve, the position of the wedge. And that kind of that is very, very important.

You start with giving them a lot of time, of course, and the further you go, you make the exercises more difficult, more difficult, giving them less time to to present the sleeve. But because you're doing it with a lot of repetitions, they are going They are going to make sure that it's going to be okay. So they are checking it and kind of things.

You start with giving them a lot of time, of course, and the further you go, you make the exercises more difficult, more difficult, giving them less time to to present the sleeve. But because you're doing it with a lot of repetitions, they are going They are going to make sure that it's going to be okay. So they are checking it and kind of things.

Yes, they need to have. Because still, it's contact sport. So things can go wrong also very easy. So they must build the confidence that they can handle it.

Yes, they need to have. Because still, it's contact sport. So things can go wrong also very easy. So they must build the confidence that they can handle it.

I like...

I like...

I really like the short part. Yeah. Because it's very physical. You have more interaction. Yeah. And it's more physical. It's always going to hurt somewhere. And yeah. Yeah, I really like the short part. But with the long bite, I really like the concentration before it all happening.

I really like the short part. Yeah. Because it's very physical. You have more interaction. Yeah. And it's more physical. It's always going to hurt somewhere. And yeah. Yeah, I really like the short part. But with the long bite, I really like the concentration before it all happening.

No, I didn't travel somewhere. No, I've been home now for a half year because our little girl was born.

No, I didn't travel somewhere. No, I've been home now for a half year because our little girl was born.

And the catching, yeah, it's nice to catch correctly and stuff, but the realization all in front of that, so coming out of the blind, make the turn, and that whole time before the dog arrives, that's also very... The presence, I'm right here. Yeah. Come. That's almost as beautiful as the catching itself.

And the catching, yeah, it's nice to catch correctly and stuff, but the realization all in front of that, so coming out of the blind, make the turn, and that whole time before the dog arrives, that's also very... The presence, I'm right here. Yeah. Come. That's almost as beautiful as the catching itself.

Yes. At the end. Yes. To have the preparation and, well... Sometimes...

Yes. At the end. Yes. To have the preparation and, well... Sometimes...

Well, if a helper doesn't like it, it's a helper's problem. Because it's the most beautiful thing there is to feel the impact of working with animals.

Well, if a helper doesn't like it, it's a helper's problem. Because it's the most beautiful thing there is to feel the impact of working with animals.

You know? Yeah. Still a little bit the same thing. It doesn't really matter where they hit.

You know? Yeah. Still a little bit the same thing. It doesn't really matter where they hit.

There will be an impact. There will be an impact and you need to be prepared for it. You need to like it. For what other reason are you a helper? Right, right.

There will be an impact. There will be an impact and you need to be prepared for it. You need to like it. For what other reason are you a helper? Right, right.

That is something else, of course. You need to have the technique of... because an escape is not just running away. A proper escape is sleeve in position for every dog the same on a fair spot. Every dog must have the opportunity to give an excellent grip. Everything else is up to how it goes. But if it's on a trial, you have to say, you have also something to say about it at the trial.

That is something else, of course. You need to have the technique of... because an escape is not just running away. A proper escape is sleeve in position for every dog the same on a fair spot. Every dog must have the opportunity to give an excellent grip. Everything else is up to how it goes. But if it's on a trial, you have to say, you have also something to say about it at the trial.

Well, sometimes you try to introduce it with the helpers because getting their form back, for realizing that you still need to bring a fight, not going, picking up, run to the other side and stop. That's not the point of doing protection work. Right. Protection work, it's going to be a gladiator with a dog. Well, one is going off the field.

Well, sometimes you try to introduce it with the helpers because getting their form back, for realizing that you still need to bring a fight, not going, picking up, run to the other side and stop. That's not the point of doing protection work. Right. Protection work, it's going to be a gladiator with a dog. Well, one is going off the field.

Because the most judges are going with the helpers on the field. They're making the mark of the dog and the mark of the helper. Where are you going to run away?

Because the most judges are going with the helpers on the field. They're making the mark of the dog and the mark of the helper. Where are you going to run away?

Yeah. But for the escape, you have still everything in your own hands most of the times because they can draw a line. But, uh, If you take one or two degrees on the left of it or on the right, depends where the thing is.

Yeah. But for the escape, you have still everything in your own hands most of the times because they can draw a line. But, uh, If you take one or two degrees on the left of it or on the right, depends where the thing is.

And if you are too sensitive for that kind of judges, well, then you have to man up a little bit and take some other attitude. Yeah. It's about, yeah. The... The program may be hard, but it must be fair as well.

And if you are too sensitive for that kind of judges, well, then you have to man up a little bit and take some other attitude. Yeah. It's about, yeah. The... The program may be hard, but it must be fair as well.

Yes, but yeah. That's exactly what I think. So if a dog is in the guarding phase and in front of every dog, you make the decision together with the judge. After five seconds, I did the re-attack or seven seconds, just whatever. But after three seconds, you see the dog is hesitating or showing some bad behavior. That is the moment to make the re-attack. And if your hands are Tight, yeah.

Yes, but yeah. That's exactly what I think. So if a dog is in the guarding phase and in front of every dog, you make the decision together with the judge. After five seconds, I did the re-attack or seven seconds, just whatever. But after three seconds, you see the dog is hesitating or showing some bad behavior. That is the moment to make the re-attack. And if your hands are Tight, yeah.

It takes away more opportunities to show things.

It takes away more opportunities to show things.

That's the whole difference. If a dog is just sitting on the ground with his ears half back, then it's not active. Then it's forced to guard in silence. Well, if a dog is with the ears up and with a lot of, well, intensity. Yeah, for sure. Nothing. For me, for me, that's okay. I think the silent.

That's the whole difference. If a dog is just sitting on the ground with his ears half back, then it's not active. Then it's forced to guard in silence. Well, if a dog is with the ears up and with a lot of, well, intensity. Yeah, for sure. Nothing. For me, for me, that's okay. I think the silent.

It's important for judges that they understand that kind of things. That's why it's important that the judges also are still active with dogs. Yeah. I'm happy in the Netherlands that the most judges that are judging are also handling dogs. I can really appreciate that in a judge. If they are competing high level or not, well, that...

It's important for judges that they understand that kind of things. That's why it's important that the judges also are still active with dogs. Yeah. I'm happy in the Netherlands that the most judges that are judging are also handling dogs. I can really appreciate that in a judge. If they are competing high level or not, well, that...

and and it's still contact sport so giving a fight brings giving a fight brings all different kind of situations um even i believe that even to keep the interest in a igp dog to do it

and and it's still contact sport so giving a fight brings giving a fight brings all different kind of situations um even i believe that even to keep the interest in a igp dog to do it

They're still in the game. They're still working with them and they experience how difficult it is to get somewhere.

They're still in the game. They're still working with them and they experience how difficult it is to get somewhere.

You can teach a dog everything, of course, but yeah, the way toward an end result.

You can teach a dog everything, of course, but yeah, the way toward an end result.

so you make the dog look better of course for the competition in in how what would be your preference my preference is active guarding active guarding my preference is active guarding and uh we we also to be honest we also don't have the dogs to put in uh to put a silent guarding they all bark quite easy

so you make the dog look better of course for the competition in in how what would be your preference my preference is active guarding active guarding my preference is active guarding and uh we we also to be honest we also don't have the dogs to put in uh to put a silent guarding they all bark quite easy

Yeah, it's all practicing, practicing, practicing, doing it a lot of times. As I said, at our club, we don't actually have now the dogs to put in silent guarding. Wow. But we also almost never experienced bad grips in the re-attacks.

Yeah, it's all practicing, practicing, practicing, doing it a lot of times. As I said, at our club, we don't actually have now the dogs to put in silent guarding. Wow. But we also almost never experienced bad grips in the re-attacks.

Yeah, there are different breeds, like Dutch Shepherds we have, Rottweilers, of course. Any Airedales, Schnauzers? No, not really, or maybe on places, I don't know. It's not common. No. Dobermans? No, Dobermans, yes, quite a few. How are they? Well, I think...

Yeah, there are different breeds, like Dutch Shepherds we have, Rottweilers, of course. Any Airedales, Schnauzers? No, not really, or maybe on places, I don't know. It's not common. No. Dobermans? No, Dobermans, yes, quite a few. How are they? Well, I think...

Well, it's so bad because, well, you don't see very often very good Dobermans.

Well, it's so bad because, well, you don't see very often very good Dobermans.

Yes, and sometimes it can be so nice to have a good Doberman on the sleeve, but maybe it's just so nice because it's very rare. Right. And, well...

Yes, and sometimes it can be so nice to have a good Doberman on the sleeve, but maybe it's just so nice because it's very rare. Right. And, well...

It would be nice if you have an all-breed championship with also some Dobermans that can hit the podium or something like that. Right. That's the cool thing. At the moment, it's just not possible.

It would be nice if you have an all-breed championship with also some Dobermans that can hit the podium or something like that. Right. That's the cool thing. At the moment, it's just not possible.

flying like crazy like this like what is it about them i mean there is no other dog that does that i i think it's also uh i think it's going to combine with genetics and uh and also a little bit of um of the hectic that they have in them just uh impatient like i gotta go and

flying like crazy like this like what is it about them i mean there is no other dog that does that i i think it's also uh i think it's going to combine with genetics and uh and also a little bit of um of the hectic that they have in them just uh impatient like i gotta go and

Yeah, the kids.

Yeah, the kids.

Well, I like to see it, by the way. Right. Well, why? I don't know.

Well, I like to see it, by the way. Right. Well, why? I don't know.

Yes, but then it's genetically.

Yes, but then it's genetically.

Then it, yeah, then it, yeah.

Then it, yeah, then it, yeah.

No, it's a practice sport, so it's not really important from how far they fly, it's about the effectiveness of the exercise.

No, it's a practice sport, so it's not really important from how far they fly, it's about the effectiveness of the exercise.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a way of teaching, of course, as well.

Yeah, that's a way of teaching, of course, as well.

No, right? Not really, no, not really. We have, of course, I don't know how many KNPV clubs.

No, right? Not really, no, not really. We have, of course, I don't know how many KNPV clubs.

You can find them everywhere. I like the beauty of the details from IGP. It never attracted me to go to KNPV. to work their dogs.

You can find them everywhere. I like the beauty of the details from IGP. It never attracted me to go to KNPV. to work their dogs.

It's just different.

It's just different.

It doesn't have my focus to know all that kind of thing. So I don't know how many or how popular it is. I also even don't know. But... Well, if I talk with some people around me, some are really like the Mario ring. Right, right.

It doesn't have my focus to know all that kind of thing. So I don't know how many or how popular it is. I also even don't know. But... Well, if I talk with some people around me, some are really like the Mario ring. Right, right.

Well, we have KNPV.

Well, we have KNPV.

Well, it's a different world, I think.

Well, it's a different world, I think.

If you compare it with what we are doing, it's completely different. Maybe more in the nature of the dog, because we are trying to manipulate a lot of things.

If you compare it with what we are doing, it's completely different. Maybe more in the nature of the dog, because we are trying to manipulate a lot of things.

Well, it brings something, of course. So it brings extra energy in the fight.

Well, it brings something, of course. So it brings extra energy in the fight.

Yeah. And I think it's important. Yeah, for sure. I think it's important. For example, at the Saturdays, I'm the whole day at the club. In the morning, we're going to track. At noon, we're going to start. Close before noon, we're going to start obedience training. And after the obedience, we were going to do protection work.

Yeah. And I think it's important. Yeah, for sure. I think it's important. For example, at the Saturdays, I'm the whole day at the club. In the morning, we're going to track. At noon, we're going to start. Close before noon, we're going to start obedience training. And after the obedience, we were going to do protection work.

Most of the time, we were finished at four o'clock in the afternoon or 4.30 or whatever.

Most of the time, we were finished at four o'clock in the afternoon or 4.30 or whatever.

And every Friday I'm looking forward to the Saturday for a full day of dog sport. Well, I can get a little bit frustrated if, for example, on an evening or something, if people showing up at 8.30 doing quickly bite work and leaving. Because, well, I think it's part of the sport.

And every Friday I'm looking forward to the Saturday for a full day of dog sport. Well, I can get a little bit frustrated if, for example, on an evening or something, if people showing up at 8.30 doing quickly bite work and leaving. Because, well, I think it's part of the sport.

It took a little while, a little break from traveling to take care of everything.

It took a little while, a little break from traveling to take care of everything.

Yeah, because if you're never doing obedience, the dog is automatically going to think it's... It's coming wild. Yeah, for protection. So, yeah, I really like the classic European weekend. Is that not nothing what you miss sometimes here in the States?

Yeah, because if you're never doing obedience, the dog is automatically going to think it's... It's coming wild. Yeah, for protection. So, yeah, I really like the classic European weekend. Is that not nothing what you miss sometimes here in the States?

Which is also important to evaluate the day. And well, The good thing about to see all the faces at one day is a little bit dedication, but also just to see the dog sport how it really is and learn from each other.

Which is also important to evaluate the day. And well, The good thing about to see all the faces at one day is a little bit dedication, but also just to see the dog sport how it really is and learn from each other.

Yeah, that's a lot.

Yeah, that's a lot.

No, I'm not yet a dog handler. I have my own work, of course. And besides that, I put a lot of energy in the helper work.

No, I'm not yet a dog handler. I have my own work, of course. And besides that, I put a lot of energy in the helper work.

Oh.

Oh.

I think in Netherlands, the only way to get tickets back is to start an organization outside of FCI.

I think in Netherlands, the only way to get tickets back is to start an organization outside of FCI.

RSV 2000? I don't know.

RSV 2000? I don't know.

Are they FCI affiliated? I don't know.

Are they FCI affiliated? I don't know.

But, yeah.

But, yeah.

There is a full ban of it.

There is a full ban of it.

Which is crazy, right? It's not illegal to have it. But for using it, yes, it's forbidden.

Which is crazy, right? It's not illegal to have it. But for using it, yes, it's forbidden.

No, not as exactly. I know a few people are that got in trouble or got in trouble. Yeah. And well, the official rules are, as I know, is that they take the dog from you and you have to pay a very high bill. What can goes up to 20,000 euros, something like that. So that are quite hard consequences.

No, not as exactly. I know a few people are that got in trouble or got in trouble. Yeah. And well, the official rules are, as I know, is that they take the dog from you and you have to pay a very high bill. What can goes up to 20,000 euros, something like that. So that are quite hard consequences.

Well, they are checking, they are checking.

Well, they are checking, they are checking.

Well, you're going to start with associations with leashes and signals way earlier as before. So for every behavior, you try to teach it already with a signal, so the picture is more clear afterwards. Well, the classic conditioning and the repeatings.

Well, you're going to start with associations with leashes and signals way earlier as before. So for every behavior, you try to teach it already with a signal, so the picture is more clear afterwards. Well, the classic conditioning and the repeatings.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, in my personal opinion, if you teach an exercise correctly, there are no side effects for correctly using

Well, in my personal opinion, if you teach an exercise correctly, there are no side effects for correctly using

prong collar or something or something yeah it doesn't matter what but right if you teach an exercise or behavior correctly and give it a lot enough repetition that a dog really understands what and has the solution has to do but takes the opportunity out of a situation for his own advantage

prong collar or something or something yeah it doesn't matter what but right if you teach an exercise or behavior correctly and give it a lot enough repetition that a dog really understands what and has the solution has to do but takes the opportunity out of a situation for his own advantage

and you give a correction, the dog should go immediately in the correct behavior again, which you can reward again. So, well... And I didn't see any side effects of that kind of things.

and you give a correction, the dog should go immediately in the correct behavior again, which you can reward again. So, well... And I didn't see any side effects of that kind of things.

They did not doubt because they were on a television show, a hidden television. So there was one guy with the camera and, well, into one of the worst places, I think. And it was on national TV, so everybody saw it. Yeah. That's not supportive for the sport.

They did not doubt because they were on a television show, a hidden television. So there was one guy with the camera and, well, into one of the worst places, I think. And it was on national TV, so everybody saw it. Yeah. That's not supportive for the sport.

Yeah. But when a ban is coming, it's always the question how much attention you must give it. So if a lot of people are going into protest, maybe you get the wrong attention. So it's a very difficult discussion.

Yeah. But when a ban is coming, it's always the question how much attention you must give it. So if a lot of people are going into protest, maybe you get the wrong attention. So it's a very difficult discussion.

it could change back in in europe or it's not possible anymore no no i think also the politics have to work so hard to get it through um the ethical discussion that they probably get to change it back will be Well, not killing them, but that will be not good for their career.

it could change back in in europe or it's not possible anymore no no i think also the politics have to work so hard to get it through um the ethical discussion that they probably get to change it back will be Well, not killing them, but that will be not good for their career.

Well, in the Netherlands, it depends what Germany is going to do.

Well, in the Netherlands, it depends what Germany is going to do.

um and and also uh it seems to be on the right time right just just getting it's getting a discussion now in in germany as well so i think the the the what happened in austria i think um once it happens in one country

um and and also uh it seems to be on the right time right just just getting it's getting a discussion now in in germany as well so i think the the the what happened in austria i think um once it happens in one country

Well, we believe that to create good helpers, to create the best helpers, you need to monitor them, to educate them, to evaluate them. We're busy to write stuff down from what do we want to see? How are we getting there and how can we keep that kind of level?

Well, we believe that to create good helpers, to create the best helpers, you need to monitor them, to educate them, to evaluate them. We're busy to write stuff down from what do we want to see? How are we getting there and how can we keep that kind of level?

Yeah, and probably, I don't know how many times it happens, but I also believe in collective education. So nice organized days out of the head organization with practicing. So not only theory, but also practicing on the field.

Yeah, and probably, I don't know how many times it happens, but I also believe in collective education. So nice organized days out of the head organization with practicing. So not only theory, but also practicing on the field.

Yeah, and learning how a dog, how you teach a dog to do something instead of forcing a dog doing something. Or you must have a plan to train your dog.

Yeah, and learning how a dog, how you teach a dog to do something instead of forcing a dog doing something. Or you must have a plan to train your dog.

It's too easy to go on the field and say, well, we see what's going to happen.

It's too easy to go on the field and say, well, we see what's going to happen.

So there is a mutual goal.

So there is a mutual goal.

Yeah, the German Shepherd organization is the biggest, followed by the All Breeds. And then I don't know.

Yeah, the German Shepherd organization is the biggest, followed by the All Breeds. And then I don't know.

We have a national championship with like nine dogs or something like that.

We have a national championship with like nine dogs or something like that.

Yeah. Well, the German champions are not much better, like 20-something, but well.

Yeah. Well, the German champions are not much better, like 20-something, but well.

keep do you follow how things are in there not so much not so much no not so much but that it's funny in belgium it's always the same persons are popping up again true true yeah i don't know man that's sad like it's sad

keep do you follow how things are in there not so much not so much no not so much but that it's funny in belgium it's always the same persons are popping up again true true yeah i don't know man that's sad like it's sad

So the helpers here in the States...

So the helpers here in the States...

First to the competition stuff, because you have to start somewhere and competition stuff that are They have certain exercises that are always the same. From there on, we're going to work backwards. What kind of exercises do we need to teach the helpers to make the movements better, the eye-hand coordination, the footwork, etc.

First to the competition stuff, because you have to start somewhere and competition stuff that are They have certain exercises that are always the same. From there on, we're going to work backwards. What kind of exercises do we need to teach the helpers to make the movements better, the eye-hand coordination, the footwork, etc.

Yes, and if it started, probably it gets almost automatically through.

Yes, and if it started, probably it gets almost automatically through.

mean the level of training the level of dogs comparing to home like what do you think it depends where you're going right depends where you're going um i wish um we have more uh clubs focused on um in getting better, better dog training, better methods, better understanding how to make things happen.

mean the level of training the level of dogs comparing to home like what do you think it depends where you're going right depends where you're going um i wish um we have more uh clubs focused on um in getting better, better dog training, better methods, better understanding how to make things happen.

at home or here at home yeah well it's the tradition probably too no yes yes yes so there's trainer and uh people are getting uh right pushed by a trainer and that the trainer is doing is instructing four or five people uh at the evening And that's it. So people are taking by the hand and told to do something instead of forced to think by themselves to create something by their own. And yeah.

at home or here at home yeah well it's the tradition probably too no yes yes yes so there's trainer and uh people are getting uh right pushed by a trainer and that the trainer is doing is instructing four or five people uh at the evening And that's it. So people are taking by the hand and told to do something instead of forced to think by themselves to create something by their own. And yeah.

Of course, there are some places that is doing very, very good. But the traditional thing, yeah.

Of course, there are some places that is doing very, very good. But the traditional thing, yeah.

They pay a contribution. They can track and they can do obedience. They can use the facility. At the clubs, they have a helper. They can use the helper most of the times.

They pay a contribution. They can track and they can do obedience. They can use the facility. At the clubs, they have a helper. They can use the helper most of the times.

Do you still have room? We have tracking fields. Yeah, we have tracking fields. Not so much as in the past, but we still... Still... Okay.

Do you still have room? We have tracking fields. Yeah, we have tracking fields. Not so much as in the past, but we still... Still... Okay.

Well, it's not that serious at our side, of course, but it's also very good to be on good terms with the farmers, yeah, and to stay in contact with them from, yeah, can we do this or that? And we have an event, maybe use your field and...

Well, it's not that serious at our side, of course, but it's also very good to be on good terms with the farmers, yeah, and to stay in contact with them from, yeah, can we do this or that? And we have an event, maybe use your field and...

No, we pay rent for the facility.

No, we pay rent for the facility.

No, we have our own place. So we have our own place.

No, we have our own place. So we have our own place.

Yeah. Form of renting it from from the local like the house.

Yeah. Form of renting it from from the local like the house.

Right. Yes. the city government.

Right. Yes. the city government.

Well, it was a little bit of the focus. But now we're refocusing back on that kind of stuff. So we selected now two helpers to do the Dutch championships. The guys who are not working from this point to that point, but because they are in a fight.

Well, it was a little bit of the focus. But now we're refocusing back on that kind of stuff. So we selected now two helpers to do the Dutch championships. The guys who are not working from this point to that point, but because they are in a fight.

Well, it's not a very long story. My dad was in dog sport at an examination. They took me to the club just to watch how the exam was going. Just to watch, right? Yeah, just to watch. And after a while, at the end of the day, they put some girls in a suit and they say, Jan, you cannot stay behind now, so you have to do it as well. I said, okay.

Well, it's not a very long story. My dad was in dog sport at an examination. They took me to the club just to watch how the exam was going. Just to watch, right? Yeah, just to watch. And after a while, at the end of the day, they put some girls in a suit and they say, Jan, you cannot stay behind now, so you have to do it as well. I said, okay.

Yes, of course. Because we need that. They took away the tickets, so what's left? So, and that must be a motivation for other guys to work Well, that need to be a motivation for the other ones to be there in the Dutch championships as well. Because how the selection in the Netherlands goes is there are one day a year that they all have to come together.

Yes, of course. Because we need that. They took away the tickets, so what's left? So, and that must be a motivation for other guys to work Well, that need to be a motivation for the other ones to be there in the Dutch championships as well. Because how the selection in the Netherlands goes is there are one day a year that they all have to come together.