Janice Gross-Stein

And I would go further, Roger, the number of executions inside Iran.

You remember this started in January with Donald Trump warning them not to kill anybody.

The number of executions is way up inside Iran as well.

So there's no question.

But the bigger question really is how do you change this regime?

You can't do it by military means from the outside.

You simply cannot.

And how long?

Does the United States live with the myth that you can send your military forces into a country, inflict significant punishment, and that will be enough to overthrow a regime?

It doesn't work, except, you know, in a Venezuela, in a small country where they didn't overthrow the regime.

Even then, they just changed the people at the top.

So we can bemoan this regime.

Eighty percent of Iranians do bemoan this regime and are, frankly, many of them really disappointed to see what has come out of this.

But you can't change it from the outside.

And it was foolish ever to think you could.

And again, I don't... Yeah, but what's the option?

Let me make a different argument, Roger.

Look, Russia thought it was going to get the job done in Ukraine in three days.

Donald Trump thought he was going to get the job done in Iran in three days.

They were both wrong.