Jared Kushner

So we spent about eight months quietly working through the case, working through the details to make sure that it really was a worthy case.

I brought it to President Trump, said, you know, she'd like to come meet with you to talk about this case.

And he said, how come?

So she came in, we went through the case, and President Trump ultimately granted the clemency to Alice Johnson, who was a woman who was accused of being part of a drug ring.

She had basically a life sentence for doing it.

She'd served 22 years in prison.

While in prison, I mean, she basically was a grandmother, and she was putting on the prison plays.

She was mentoring young women in prison, somebody who...

Again, there's always a risk, but by and large had a very, very, very low risk of committing a crime in the future.

And then it goes back to the notion of, are we going to judge people by the worst decision they make in their life?

And so President Trump was willing to grant the clemency and it went.

And I think that it just goes to the notion of like,

Maybe this goes back to his unpredictability in a positive way, which is if you go sit with him and you make your case, he'll hear you, he'll listen to you, and he's not afraid to act and he's not afraid to be controversial, which I think is a good thing.

So from a foreign policy point of view in particular, his unpredictability just meant that everyone was always on their back foot.

People...

were afraid to kind of cross America.

And what I would tell people who don't like Trump is I would say, think about how crazy he's making you and his enemies.

You know, he did that to the enemies of America.

And yeah, so he was a very, very strong president and I think did a great job.

In all the agreements that I was negotiating, I wasn't doing it as a principal.