Jared Kushner

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been in a place where it would be very hard for them to get the trust of Russia based on the way that they've played their moves to date.

I always thought from the beginning that Putin would try to bring in President Xi in China to resolve it, to basically give a big screw you to America to say,

You know, China's now the one, you know, in charge of this, but that hasn't seemed to manifest itself to date either.

But it takes leadership.

You know, the leaders have to get in and say, you know, let's get everyone together and let's try to get this done.

Because every day it goes on, A, more people are dying, and B, you know, we do risk a nuclear war for the world, which is not a good situation.

So I didn't deal with Russia a ton, but in my interaction with Putin and with Russia, I would kind of point out a couple of things.

Number one is when America was hit with COVID and New York was looking like we were going to run out of ventilators and masks, Russia was the second country that sent us a plane load of supplies.

And they didn't send that because they hate America.

They sent that because we were starting to make progress together as countries, and they thought that they wanted to show goodwill to figure out how can we start working together.

And again, people may attack me for saying that that sounds naive.

Again, the past 15 years may show that that's not the case, but I don't believe that countries have permanent enemies, and I don't believe countries have permanent allies, right?

Again, you think about the US and Russia in World War II, we worked together to defeat the Nazis.

And now we're great allies with Germany, who basically was our great enemy in World War II.

We're great allies with Japan, who was our great enemy in World War II.

So it goes back to the notion we discussed earlier of you shouldn't condemn tomorrow to be like yesterday if you're unhappy with yesterday.

So number one is I would definitely ask him about that.

The phone call that you mentioned was after we did a pretty intense negotiation to create the largest oil cut in the history of oil production.

So during COVID, demand just shut off like crazy.