Jared Kushner

Then the Chinese came back and retaliated very surgically, trying to hit us in all the areas that politically would have been difficult.

And what Trump did was instead of backing down, he took some of the revenue from the tariffs, gave it to the farmers and said, I know that this is going to hurt your business, but I'm going to make sure you guys are made whole.

And then he doubled down and basically went back at the Chinese with even more tariffs.

So what we watched over a year and a half was probably the biggest hand of poker that was ever played.

And it was an amazing experience to be a part of it.

And the role I played was really working for Secretary Mnuchin and Ambassador Lighthizer as a back channel with the Chinese to make sure we can just deescalate things and get to solutions in the best way possible.

So anyway, it was a fascinating time.

But if you think about the global awareness of the bad practices that China was putting in place today versus what they were in 2016, I think one of President Trump's most successful policies was shifting the way the entire world understood the threat of China and then putting in place the beginning of a regime to try and rebalance the world so that we could have more economic parity.

Perfect.

So it's a very, very big book.

And I think it's a book definitely worth reading.

Michael is tremendous.

He speaks fluent Mandarin.

So he spent a lot of time researching to do the book.

So I highly recommend it to everyone.

And it was considered more of a fringe perspective in 2016.

But it really, I think, came to represent the underpinning of what the collective thought was of the Trump administration.

And maybe you could argue that it was even more cynical.

The whole thesis of the book was that China from 1949 to 2049 was working to reclaim their position as the global leader, right?

So you had the Chinese empire.