Jared Kushner

They were stealing our intellectual property.

They were doing espionage to steal a lot of the patents.

They were just ignoring our patents, and they weren't following any of the rules of international trade.

Then they started becoming the world's manufacturing hub.

They basically became the world's factory.

And then they started this whole initiative called the Belt and Road Initiative in order to start locking in their lines of trades.

They were buying up all the ports everywhere.

They were building railways, thinking, how do we lock in our distribution so that we can maintain the dominance as the world's global factory?

And so it was a brilliant long-term plan that they were doing

And by raising awareness, by putting the tariffs, Trump slowed them down a lot.

The real question is if they actually did achieve this full objective of becoming the world-dominant country, what they would have done with it, whether they would have been nefarious or not.

I think from my perspective, even with some of the divisions and issues we have now in America, I still would rather an American-led world order than a Chinese-led world order be

Um, but the notion was, is that they were playing a very zero sum game and really going to be the dominant leader in this new world order.

So, um, so that really framed the perspective and it wasn't necessarily, you know, people asked me was, was, and the Chinese were always fearing is Trump trying to stop our rise, right?

And you have a great book also by Graham Allison that he writes about.

are we destined for war between the US and China?

And he goes through different historical times where you have a power and a rising superpower.

And I think more than half the time, it ends up leading to war.

So the question is, what's going to happen here?

And I do think that Trump's perspective, and this is my interpretation, because everything was always tactical day to day, and he was unpredictable to the Chinese, which they couldn't deal with.