Jared Kushner

And then finally, I would just say that in any negotiation, you have to understand the power dynamics as well.

And you have to then weight your approach in order to maneuver pieces to accomplish the objective.

And so in areas where we had stronger power dynamics, I'd always look at it and say, what are the potential escape routes where a politician would say,

This is just the reason why we can't get there.

And I'd always think, how can you try to eliminate those escape routes or make them much harder to accomplish?

And then ultimately think about what's the golden bridge that you want to create for them in order to get to the other side where they were motivated to get there because it was in their self-interest to get there, but also because it helped accomplish the different objective.

And I have many examples that I lived through with that, obviously, negotiating the

in Congress for prison reform.

I had to form a lot of trust with Democrats, whether it was Hakeem Jeffries or Dick Durbin.

And then also on the Republican side, I had Mike Lee, I had Lindsey Graham, I had Tim Scott, Senator Grassley, and then also Doug Collins in the House was tremendous.

And every time we maneuvered something, we would get attacked either from the left or

There was a time we were being attacked by Nancy Pelosi, John Lewis, for not being inclusive enough.

And then there were times that we maneuvered it, we'd be attacked from the right for maybe going too far.

And ultimately, we had to find just the right place where we can get it done.

And the same thing happened with USMCA, where we were negotiating the biggest trade deal in the history of the world, which was $1.3 trillion in annual trade between Mexico, Canada, the United States of America.

And we were able to form good trust with the other side and try to say, how do we create win-win outcomes?

And ultimately, we were able to do something in a record time that people thought was very hard to do.

And both of them, in a divided time of the Trump administration, were bipartisan wins with big, big votes in the Senate and the House.

But in fairness, too, for him, during the time that we were dealing with him, he was always in election versus election and then election.

you know, what he was saying wasn't wrong.