Jared Kushner

And I think that what I saw was the people who were very good at getting things done that hadn't been done before were people who came with different qualifications, different perspectives, and they came in and really worked the problem in untraditional ways.

And so-

I think in the Middle East, I came in with a very different approach than people before me, not because I came in deliberately trying to do it differently, but because I came in trying to listen and understand from people why the problem hadn't been solved and then think from a first principles perspective on what's the right perspective today, not based on what happened 50 years ago or not based on what somebody's feelings who were hurt were.

but what's the right thing to make people's lives better, to make the world a safer and more prosperous place tomorrow?

Sure.

So, you know, it's funny, we were talking before about how, you know, we wish leaders would set big audacious goals and take on big things.

Well, that's what he did with Vision 2030.

You know, when he was young, and again, this is something that was derided and a lot of people were very skeptical of it, but the people actually, you know, picked it up and read it, said this is a very thoughtful plan that's very achievable.

So he studied his country and said, what's our place here?

in the world?

What are our advantages?

What are our disadvantages?

And then he set publicly KPIs that he wanted to hold his country to and then put in place plans and committees and really worked hard to push things in that direction, which was pretty remarkable.

I think that it's something when I saw it, I thought it was

very refreshing.

I said, wait, in America, why don't we all have set goals?

Why don't we have KPIs?

And I do think that it's something that most countries, if not all countries, should have.

One of my favorite quotes was from the Alice in Wonderland where the Cheshire Cat says, if you don't know where you're going, it doesn't matter which path you take.

And so I think that that's something that