Jared

That right. Just trying to like come up with a unified theory of how things work. You're like, here's how I think this is working, but I have, it's a black box. I have no idea how it's working.

Oh man. Software developers understand that.

Oh man. Software developers understand that.

If James Bond would die, then we need physical buttons here, man. Yeah, that's it.

If James Bond would die, then we need physical buttons here, man. Yeah, that's it.

If he could figure it out, you're good to go. Yeah, I think medical is an interesting one. I think you're on point with, like, if it's dangerous, if there's large consequences.

If he could figure it out, you're good to go. Yeah, I think medical is an interesting one. I think you're on point with, like, if it's dangerous, if there's large consequences.

you need not just physical buttons, but going back to Adam's reference of like the nuclear buttons, like, you know, underneath a piece of glass with, you know, timing with like the key and the turn, or maybe there's three buttons you have to push. Like the more...

you need not just physical buttons, but going back to Adam's reference of like the nuclear buttons, like, you know, underneath a piece of glass with, you know, timing with like the key and the turn, or maybe there's three buttons you have to push. Like the more...

consequences are hidden underneath that button push or the result of the button push, there should be more ceremony, more importance, more constraints around the button.

consequences are hidden underneath that button push or the result of the button push, there should be more ceremony, more importance, more constraints around the button.

But the world in which we don't need any buttons, probably not coming anytime soon. What I find so interesting, Rachel, is you go from this topic of buttons and tactile controls to what you're working on now, which is smudges, sweat, coffee spills. What? I got to hear this story. So now you're working on a license to spill. Where dry devices meet liquid lives. Where did this come from?

But the world in which we don't need any buttons, probably not coming anytime soon. What I find so interesting, Rachel, is you go from this topic of buttons and tactile controls to what you're working on now, which is smudges, sweat, coffee spills. What? I got to hear this story. So now you're working on a license to spill. Where dry devices meet liquid lives. Where did this come from?

This seems like it's out of left field.

This seems like it's out of left field.

How do you go about looking something like that?

How do you go about looking something like that?

I'm reminded of the Truman Show where everybody's watching Truman, of course, as the story climaxes. And will he or will he not escape his little enclave? New Haven? I don't know what it's called. And everyone's watching it all around the world in their different contexts. And there's the one guy who's in his tub, you know? Yeah. And he's in his tub the whole movie watching this.

I'm reminded of the Truman Show where everybody's watching Truman, of course, as the story climaxes. And will he or will he not escape his little enclave? New Haven? I don't know what it's called. And everyone's watching it all around the world in their different contexts. And there's the one guy who's in his tub, you know? Yeah. And he's in his tub the whole movie watching this.

Big splashes. And by the end, he's getting excited. He's splashing. He's going crazy. I'm thinking, you're about to electrocute yourself, dude. So that would be a time, you know... Not to use, I think, electricity would be splashing around in the tub.