Jared

Yeah, absolutely. So you still run into that stuff. Passkeys, however, you do not have to send a passkey to somebody every time they have to sign in because it's a pass and hold, right? You get the passkey, you hold the passkey, and as long as you have the passkey, you're good to go. In fact, they are integrated...

Yeah, absolutely. So you still run into that stuff. Passkeys, however, you do not have to send a passkey to somebody every time they have to sign in because it's a pass and hold, right? You get the passkey, you hold the passkey, and as long as you have the passkey, you're good to go. In fact, they are integrated...

To a certain extent, inside of autofills on phones, whether you're on Android or iOS, if you're using the right first-party passkey stuff, I'm not sure we're going to get into that because this is where passkeys get weird. It's like, who's got the passkey?

To a certain extent, inside of autofills on phones, whether you're on Android or iOS, if you're using the right first-party passkey stuff, I'm not sure we're going to get into that because this is where passkeys get weird. It's like, who's got the passkey?

But as long as it's in there, like on iOS, for instance, if it's stored inside your Apple Passwords app, it will autofill or Face ID or Touch ID just like your password would. And so it's instant once you have it there. But it's also complicated. It's more complicated than that, isn't it, Dan?

But as long as it's in there, like on iOS, for instance, if it's stored inside your Apple Passwords app, it will autofill or Face ID or Touch ID just like your password would. And so it's instant once you have it there. But it's also complicated. It's more complicated than that, isn't it, Dan?

And yet people don't seem to like them for some reason. So I have had nothing but positive experience with pass keys as an end user. And I should say that my, my stack is basically Apple stack. I want an iOS and Mac OS, and I use the passwords. It's now its own app.

And yet people don't seem to like them for some reason. So I have had nothing but positive experience with pass keys as an end user. And I should say that my, my stack is basically Apple stack. I want an iOS and Mac OS, and I use the passwords. It's now its own app.

It used to be Keychain and inside the settings of the iOS stuff, but it will handle both your passwords and your passkeys for your domains. and it will even allow you now. I think this is new last year to share those with your family, which has been in my experience, seamless as well. I can share a past word. I can share a past key.

It used to be Keychain and inside the settings of the iOS stuff, but it will handle both your passwords and your passkeys for your domains. and it will even allow you now. I think this is new last year to share those with your family, which has been in my experience, seamless as well. I can share a past word. I can share a past key.

I can create little subgroups in my family, like just my wife and I, or my kids and us like, and I can share them there. And I have to say, I've been just tickled with how well that's gone, but I think I'm very rare in this because a lot of people are just not happy with the way things are going. And Adam, you're not sold on past keys. So what's been your experience?

I can create little subgroups in my family, like just my wife and I, or my kids and us like, and I can share them there. And I have to say, I've been just tickled with how well that's gone, but I think I'm very rare in this because a lot of people are just not happy with the way things are going. And Adam, you're not sold on past keys. So what's been your experience?

Yeah, that's why I said your title is not sold on Passkey, so I knew you weren't.

Yeah, that's why I said your title is not sold on Passkey, so I knew you weren't.

What could your bank do that would be better than having a password and an OTP code in a singular password manager? Would it be multiple password managers? What would that look like?

What could your bank do that would be better than having a password and an OTP code in a singular password manager? Would it be multiple password managers? What would that look like?

Right, carry this YubiKey around.

Right, carry this YubiKey around.

Yeah. That makes total sense. I think. Having multiple pieces of software, but unless you are an employer, that's really on the end user, isn't it? Like if you're a bank, I guess if you do SMS, you're kind of forcing them into their SMS app or something like that.

Yeah. That makes total sense. I think. Having multiple pieces of software, but unless you are an employer, that's really on the end user, isn't it? Like if you're a bank, I guess if you do SMS, you're kind of forcing them into their SMS app or something like that.