Jason Calacanis

No, this is right before Elon co-founded OpenAI, right?

It's back in 2015 or something.

Well, I guess the question then is why are they pushing for the let's call it red capture agenda where – I know one.

To steel man their position for a second, I mean, I think probably the way they think about it is that they are creating something very powerful, something godlike, and therefore it needs to be safe.

And that they care the most about that out of everybody.

Nobody else takes this seriously.

Remember that Anthropic was basically a spin-out of OpenAI, and they felt that Sam and the company leadership weren't taking their point of view seriously enough.

Yeah, we're still manning for a second.

So they see the power of it.

They're the ones who are concerned about safety.

And they care the most.

And therefore, they're in the best position to do that.

Now, I think the issue is just you can see how this can lead to red capture, right?

Which is if you brand yourself as the safe AI company and then try to characterize everybody else as a reckless player.

and reckless AI needs to be stopped, you can see how this would basically further your monopolistic control over this industry.

And if you see AI through the lens that really, frankly, the Pope and I see it, which is centralization versus decentralization, I do think that is one of the key lenses we should have on the technology is whether you want

this to be a centralized or decentralized technology, this way of viewing the world leads to more centralization.

And I think that's dangerous.

I mean, if AI is this very powerful technology, I think it needs to be decentralized so that

all of us can protect ourselves to some degree, right?