Jason Ingber

Yes.

Something like that.

So just – and that was like I had – and my whole thing was I want to start a true crime podcast.

And I thought I have all these stories written and I like telling stories.

And everybody in prison was like, man, you tell great stories.

And listen, I have written guys stories and they came back and they were like, fuck.

Like this is fucking amazing.

It's absolutely what happened.

I could never –

never do this.

And they're like, never put it together in this way.

And I realized that, you know, I also realized, you know, in prison, working with people, is that there were so many writers, and I mean, like,

writers for Rolling Stone, GQ, everything.

And they would write me letters.

I'd send them stuff and they're like, I can't do this.

I can't right now.

I'm too busy, blah, blah, blah.

But they'd come back and they'd go, you're an amazing writer, by the way.

And they would text me and they would get on my email system and tell me, bro, honestly, this is phenomenal.

You've got to do something.