Jason Ingber

But they came to me, and they questioned me, and I went and got an attorney, and the attorney was like, we can wait for the indictment, but you're guilty.

So let's just go ahead and allow them to just place a criminal complaint.

Yes.

Okay.

But the first time, basically— Because you keep saying the first time.

Oh, I've been arrested multiple times.

So I—

That's the one that got me on probation.

So the first time I got in trouble, I was – whatever.

There was a criminal complaint.

They filed a criminal complaint against me, and it was for wire fraud, which is same charge, bank fraud.

And so they –

I ended up pleading guilty to one count of wire fraud.

And the loss amount and the potential loss amount for me was zero.

There was no loss amount.

There was no potential loss amount.

So the idea that... Can you explain that more in connection with your own thing?

Well, with Letitia James's, a lot of these experts that they're coming in are saying that

Well, to be federally indicted or for there to be a federal complaint filed against you, for you to be charged federally – Or you need a dollar threshold.

How is that possible you were making a – Because I lied on an – I lied on an application.