Jason Jorjani

It was, yeah. I might have become aware of it in the mid to late 90s. Okay. So we're talking when I was like 17, 16, 17 years old. From early on, I paid attention to the testimony that he amassed from all of these people who have been involved with the military, with defense contractors.

Make your hair great again with HIMSS. But look, I think in the case of Stephen Greer – and maybe we can come back around to this because I saw parts of your show with him. In the case of Stephen Greer, you have to draw some very significant distinctions between the testimony he's getting from people who served in sensitive positions in the military-industrial complex –

Make your hair great again with HIMSS. But look, I think in the case of Stephen Greer – and maybe we can come back around to this because I saw parts of your show with him. In the case of Stephen Greer, you have to draw some very significant distinctions between the testimony he's getting from people who served in sensitive positions in the military-industrial complex –

Make your hair great again with HIMSS. But look, I think in the case of Stephen Greer – and maybe we can come back around to this because I saw parts of your show with him. In the case of Stephen Greer, you have to draw some very significant distinctions between the testimony he's getting from people who served in sensitive positions in the military-industrial complex –

versus his interpretations of those testimonies, which is being filtered through his own worldview and ideology, and then furthermore, his own personal experiences. Because Greer came out like, what was it, 20 years ago, saying he himself was a contactee, I think from childhood. And he started doing these CE5 protocols for summoning entities and so forth, right?

versus his interpretations of those testimonies, which is being filtered through his own worldview and ideology, and then furthermore, his own personal experiences. Because Greer came out like, what was it, 20 years ago, saying he himself was a contactee, I think from childhood. And he started doing these CE5 protocols for summoning entities and so forth, right?

versus his interpretations of those testimonies, which is being filtered through his own worldview and ideology, and then furthermore, his own personal experiences. Because Greer came out like, what was it, 20 years ago, saying he himself was a contactee, I think from childhood. And he started doing these CE5 protocols for summoning entities and so forth, right?

So there's a great deal of difference between those kinds of claims versus... And amassing testimony from basically expert witnesses.

So there's a great deal of difference between those kinds of claims versus... And amassing testimony from basically expert witnesses.

So there's a great deal of difference between those kinds of claims versus... And amassing testimony from basically expert witnesses.

Right. And I find the, you know, the stuff he did early on to be much more convincing and much more solid.

Right. And I find the, you know, the stuff he did early on to be much more convincing and much more solid.

Right. And I find the, you know, the stuff he did early on to be much more convincing and much more solid.

I don't know. But I'll tell you what I found very interesting about some of that early testimony. There was this one case, and here we're going to get into a case of murder also. Let's do it. There was this one case of this – I think he was sergeant.

I don't know. But I'll tell you what I found very interesting about some of that early testimony. There was this one case, and here we're going to get into a case of murder also. Let's do it. There was this one case of this – I think he was sergeant.

I don't know. But I'll tell you what I found very interesting about some of that early testimony. There was this one case, and here we're going to get into a case of murder also. Let's do it. There was this one case of this – I think he was sergeant.

Yeah, Sergeant Carl Wolf, who, although he wasn't fairly high-ranking, I mean, you know, this is how compartmentalized information works in the military. You can be a relatively low-ranking person, but if you have technical expertise in a particular area, you have to be given a high-level security clearance because you need to work on some technical aspect of a very sensitive subject.

Yeah, Sergeant Carl Wolf, who, although he wasn't fairly high-ranking, I mean, you know, this is how compartmentalized information works in the military. You can be a relatively low-ranking person, but if you have technical expertise in a particular area, you have to be given a high-level security clearance because you need to work on some technical aspect of a very sensitive subject.

Yeah, Sergeant Carl Wolf, who, although he wasn't fairly high-ranking, I mean, you know, this is how compartmentalized information works in the military. You can be a relatively low-ranking person, but if you have technical expertise in a particular area, you have to be given a high-level security clearance because you need to work on some technical aspect of a very sensitive subject.

So in the case of Carl Wolf, he was a photographic technician and repairman. And I think it was 1965, so a few years before we went to the moon, right? We've got the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter going around the moon preparing for the Apollo mission. And Carl Wolf is called in, in his capacity as a photo technician, photographic repairman, he's called in to...