Jason Lemkin

And what I did find though, is I used to use it when I was doing my Python lessons.

They're very much driven now to a much higher level.

It's all agent-based.

It's basically, you don't even need to see the code, Mr. Designer.

It's all about, you know, you're interacting with the chat.

I

I'm actually trying to get down to the developer level and understand the code base.

And it's like, it's almost hard to find and it almost resists.

The interesting thing about it is you have to embrace a world of, you don't need to know the code, Mr. Rory.

And once you do that, just describe what you want.

It's a whole new skill is my, it's almost like, it's not almost different than, cause it's not programming at the programming level.

It's describing at the describing level.

And if you, and if you, once you embrace that, you get stuff done, but it's really hard to go back to first principles and say, how does it work?

Great.

And you can find it, but it resists.

And this may be like a dude when spreadsheets were invented saying, I like to add the numbers myself to know they're right.

And maybe I just need to let go and say the spreadsheet's right and just stop worrying, don't be an idiot.

But yes, it was super interesting and extraordinarily powerful once you use it.

The final just comment, because, you know, you had it in the Sequoia doing Anthropic and Sequoia doing 11 Labs.

You know, I just was reflecting on this.