Jason Rezaian

not in the way that Khomeini was organized and had support rallying behind him without a lot of dissent, right?

I don't think that there's any of the leadership of the system now or people who are in prison that folks inside Iran look to as their savior.

A lot of people have been calling the name, you know, Reza Pahlavi in the streets during his protests.

But I don't know that, I mean, he's lived in exile for 47 years.

That's kind of a lot to ask.

Right?

And I don't think we have a great track record.

I don't think there are any good, obvious options.

But I do think that over the last, gosh, you know,

17 years since 2009, we should have been making inroads to opposition folks.

I know from personal experience and relationships, hundreds of Iranian intellectuals and dissidents now exiled here in the United States who, many who drive Ubers, right?

People that should be informing our policy and helping us understand this place.

And there hasn't been a great space for them in these conversations.

And I think, you know, it's never too late, but it's pretty freaking late.

Well, I can't speak to anyone else's thinking besides mine.

But... Careful.

Careful.

Jason.

No.

But I will tell you that day in and day out, and we've seen our staff increase and decline in numbers throughout the entire time that I've been at The Washington Post, coming up on 14 years.