Jason Wojciechowicz

So when I'm done at an event, we'll get thrown in an email thread where everybody's in there and they're just like, hey, if you want to buy the list, it's 2K, 3K.

You know, and if you want us to send an SMS blast for you, it's X. And they do that as the upsell after you speak at an event.

I've been in so many of those threads.

Wow.

But you go in and buy it.

That's smart.

You still run those.

Do you use OpenSend?

Okay, but it still pulls the website visitor.

It's basically just like open set.

I actually just got Instantly last month.

I mean, to be honest, it's because they just don't think it works because it's cold.

Yeah.

The good, yeah.

The offer is important, but people truly think that if it has the word cold in it, it doesn't work as well.

Right.

You know, like cold email is great, but it kind of has like a, you know, the name of it kind of puts it away.

And also people get sued a lot from cold email.

If you don't have a subscription from the email, you'll get like random demand letters to stop sending.

I've gotten a couple.