Jason

It's oppressive in a way.

Right.

If you have that experience three or four times, whether it's at the airport or getting your driver's license or getting the haircutting,

certificate.

It's just oppressive over time.

You just feel like the government's working against you.

Yeah, and-

The horseshoe theory that you're kind of referencing there, these two extremes just taking over the conversation, that's not what the majority of the country wants.

They want to just live in a high-functioning society.

I was curious how you look at fraud, waste, fraud, and abuse.

My friend Elon, to drop a name, did this Doge thing.

It was a little controversial.

But I think what we've seen is, hey, 20%, 30% of every tax dollar collected is wasted.

Some of it's fraud, some of it's just incompetence.

It could be anything on that spectrum.

And this seems to be the Republican Party's rallying cry to beat the Democrats going into California and prosecuting people in Michigan, et cetera.

You seem to have gotten ahead of this.

You've been doing this for years.

So maybe you could explain your take on fighting fraud specifically, healthcare, or in other areas.

So pro-business, less regulation, lowering taxes, eliminating fraud, and all of this is just getting done in the state.