Jay Novella

It must mean something.

Kara, you know what I'm noticing, Kara?

You have become, I think, as integrated as you can because you reject so much of what... Yeah, I've reached my limit of nerddom with the show.

But I mean that in a very positive way because you're doing things now I never thought you would do.

You get most of our things now.

Steve, with your hourly rate, you could have just bought a new one and not spent an hour that way.

You know, it's hard to when you think of all the apps that we use and all the different interfaces and everything.

I mean, it's not easy making good user interfaces, even though, you know, there's a lot of examples of really good interfaces.

Also, there was a book, I think it came out in the late 90s, maybe, you know, early aughts.

It was called Don't Make Me Think.

But that's part of it.

You know, we have billion dollar industries like, you know, the healthcare industry whose websites are arguably some of the worst I've ever seen.

That is just utter neglect.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, again, these are weak spots that can be programmed out.

Yes.

You know, the thing is, I was really thinking about this, Steve.

They can program out a lot of those types of mistakes, and it still doesn't mean it's thinking.

And I like that analogy, but I would alter it a little bit and just say that the magician is doing card tricks.

Steve, I think there's an obvious question here and that's why would somebody like Dawkins who has his education and, you know, I mean, he's old to the point where like he's done so many things and debated with so many people and had to use critical thinking his entire career.