Jay Novella

Is that what Steve went with too?

Yes.

I'll go with the guys.

How about it, Kara?

I'm going to go with writing upside down.

It's time for Science or Fiction.

It must mean something.

Kara, you know what I'm noticing, Kara?

You have become, I think, as integrated as you can because you reject so much of what... Yeah, I've reached my limit of nerddom with the show.

But I mean that in a very positive way because you're doing things now I never thought you would do.

You get most of our things now.

Steve, with your hourly rate, you could have just bought a new one and not spent an hour that way.

You know, it's hard to when you think of all the apps that we use and all the different interfaces and everything.

I mean, it's not easy making good user interfaces, even though, you know, there's a lot of examples of really good interfaces.

Also, there was a book, I think it came out in the late 90s, maybe, you know, early aughts.

It was called Don't Make Me Think.

But that's part of it.

You know, we have billion dollar industries like, you know, the healthcare industry whose websites are arguably some of the worst I've ever seen.

That is just utter neglect.

Yeah, exactly.