Jay Pukepuke

Well, it was a really inspiring way we came about that.

The name actually is Me and the Bro and We Wanted to Make Change.

So we were just two bros, and we wanted to make change, and we didn't want to complicate it, and we're just two bros wanting to make change.

So there's the... So you said it on the name.

Yeah, so actually it came about because we both worked in a system that, you know, nine to five, babysitting, doing all these things.

And that was okay at the start because I volunteered my time.

I wanted to give back all what I had.

and then so yeah we did that and then once i sort of learned how it all works i thought man i've got i've got more than i can that i want to give that i'm allowed to give

So that didn't really work for me.

I found myself just being kind of caged off in an area.

You're allowed to do this and this and this and don't let them do that, that, that.

And to me, that wasn't really, that wasn't helping.

It was just glorified babysitters.

So me and the bro, Tiki Kupenga, we...

He was there also.

We kind of did some off-site peer supervision with ourselves and some Southern Comfort at the time.

And, you know, for about four years, we just talked, you know, what would we do?

How do we do it?

What do we have?

What can we offer?