Jay Pukepuke

Yeah, so you're like, well, actually, when I remember the trainer, he was like, oh, you might not be used to these kind of trainings, being in prison.

And I remember I was like, doing the trainings, I was like, is this it, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember just every night we'd do,

that just every night running around um weights we would wrestle uh we were in the kitchen so we were like well fed um and we had heaps of rest so food food train rest good good recipe right um

Yeah, end of the season.

Second or third, I think I played three games at the end of the season.

And then was just fizzing, fizzing, fizzing for league, ready to go.

And...

Yeah, like the hardest thing is actually living out here.

You know, it's so easy just to go back to prison.

It's really hard to stay on the outside.

Can you explain that?

But then when you get out, you've got responsibilities and bills.

And when you're in there, you're warm, you're dry, you're fed.

And when you get out, you've got to be an adult.

Especially if you've got – I didn't have kids or a partner, so it was just me.

I only had to look after me.

And that was hard.

All the people I'd met in six years, the last six years of my life, you run into them, they contact you, you meet up with them and there's temptation and it's so easy just to like do that one more, just to set you up.