Jay Pukepuke

And they're like, no.

But I'll read it.

And then I'll read a chapter.

And then I'll leave them with that.

And then throughout the next couple of days, I'll be walking with them on the way back or whatever.

And they'll be like, oh, matua.

know you're saying about how like you didn't have a home yeah i know because you know i've been passed around and so you know they connect with a little bit of it and and if they see i came from that and uh and that's where they are and they can see what i'm doing now you know it's a light for them it's it's something for them you know it's not always going to be like that but it's up to them

Well, if you do six years of prison and then you get out, you're not immediately back to where you started.

you're six years behind, if not deeper in a hole.

You don't get back to a playing level field.

Well, I didn't.

And so when I got out, not only was I behind, I was actually in a hole.

So it took me 10 years to...

change the perception of myself and rebuild enough things to get back to what I didn't have when I started.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like when I went to prison, I didn't have anything.

So when I got out, I had to rebuild back to not having anything.

Yeah, even, yeah.