Jay Pukepuke

So you don't just get out and just carry on where you were.

You know, you don't get held up.

You're actually generally worse off and you have that stigma following you around.

So not only do you have to prove yourself, you have to prove yourself more because you're that guy.

Nah, he wouldn't.

Nah.

People are like... I always say, I built this program for a young me.

The program I run now is what I needed.

But in all honesty...

Everyone knew I needed it.

I knew I needed it, but I wouldn't take it.

Yeah, you had to learn the hard way.

I had to learn the hard way.

And that's what I say to kids.

It's like, you can either listen to me or you can go learn some lessons and then come back.

But do it easy, do it hard.

Up to you, you know.

Uh, yeah, a little bit, mostly, like, I really love, I really love, um, I really love some results that we get, but then there's always that, like, thing in the background, like,

Like, what if and what have I done to people?

So I guess, like, doing the work I do now makes me feel better about myself.