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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
All right, let's hit the beach.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
All right, we're on the beach reading your emails and tweets. Keep them coming. NoDunksAtTheAthletic.com. Tweet them in at NoDunksInc. Leave them in the YouTube comments. I got the first one here for you guys. There's something I've noticed following the league oh so many years, and it's the overrating of role players on teams in the premier cities like New York.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
LA, and more recently, San Francisco slash Golden State. There are many examples recently of refusing to include these minor players in trades, like Terrence Mann for the Clippers, or Quentin Grimes for the Knicks, or Talon Horton Tucker for the Lakers. Sean Hyken has dubbed this prominence for such players as the prestige zone.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Do you have a favorite example of such a player or a specific trade for such a player or a prestige zone starting five? Been listening since the no season required tour. Keep it up, gents. That is from Jamal. It's a fun question. Thanks, Jamal. The prestige zone. Sean Hyken has named it such.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Wednesday, November 6th, 2024. I'm Jay Skeets, here in the Classic Factory, and alongside me, as always, Tass Mellis. Podcast listeners, YouTube viewers, this is for you. Next to him, it's the Pickle Man, Trey Kirby. Ayo. Ayo. And over yonder, Making the Magic Happen Super Producer, JD. Hello.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah, he's not backing himself. He almost had the Tony Snell I saw the graphic going around the other day. In one steal in whatever minutes he played.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
That's all he has to be. I mean, he's a backup role player.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I'm with Gabe on this one. Do you have any prestige zone guys? And again, this is like, you're really focusing on the big markets. Like, New York, LA. I think that is a big part of it was what Jamal was writing about, but go other teams.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I didn't know he'd been there that long. I read the exact same article and doing a little research on Bobo.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I actually was... Like, holy crap, we're old, too. I looked it up. I think he's 36 years old. That's it. Tim McMahon? No, Tim McMahon's older. Tim McMahon's older. But, man, he's only 36. What? That's wild. He only played like four years, right, in the league. It was a short career. Yeah, one contract, I'm sure. Yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I'll go a couple current guys, though, in San Francisco with the Golden State Warriors. They could be. They could be. Pojemski?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
kaminga maybe we even throw a moody in there we don't know like they could turn into be guys that you keep and want and turn into like you know sort of not superstars but obviously make borderline all-star guys or stuff like that or they could be perfect examples of prestige zone guys here yes it's it's tbd um but i think i think i feel confident like one of those three will be if we got this question 10 years from now we would be bringing them up that's what my gut says
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
There he is, and here we are, going with the beard in the pickle costume on Wednesday today.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
All of them? No, one. One of the three. I don't know who.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
knicks alonzo tree or you know that kind of thing for sure so they're just like they're they're loyal and loud fan bases too so it's like it feels like you're seeing more tweets about you know miles mcbride that maybe you should be because it's a huge you know obviously population and fan base and the knicks are you know they're crazy fans in a good way and sometimes maybe a bad way um but that's why it's the la teams in new york for sure and then maybe even golden state yeah
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
So if you want any questions about Gabe Vincent, call Tess. All right, next one here.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
So Charlie B is getting two of these guys, is he not? In the next starting five? Halliburton and Jalen Brown. So there you go. I don't know when Charlie sent this in, but that's good for you, Charlie. You got two of your five picks there. I want a weird starting five. Okay. Because I want just either super quirky guys or sarcastically funny or just strange, to be honest.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
So my weird starting five, I want to follow OG Ananobi. Okay. I find him hilarious, but he's not really trying to be funny, it feels like, a lot of the time, but he's just an odd cat. Moe Wagner. I think would just be a weird follow. We'll get the brother relationship with him and Franz, too. Luke Cornett seems funny. And Steven Adams is a no-brainer. Gotta have him on this show.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
And then I just went with Jose Alvarado just for, I don't know, he seems like a cool guy. Like a fun guy. He'd be doing weird things, I feel like. So, OG, Mo Wagner, Luke Cornett, Steven Adams, and Jose Alvarado. I'm not watching this anyway, so. Sounds like a season five cast. You got all the superstars already.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
He got everybody into wine, apparently.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
How about doing an entire season of Starting Five on players that do podcasts and see how much work they actually put into it?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
We'd have Teague. We could put Gil. Mello, if we want. He's got his own show and own podcast. Yeah, there's obviously tons to pick from. Who puts the most work in? Who's grinding tape? Yeah, who's producing the most? Yeah, right, right. Who's sending the docs? Yeah. Wow, that would be... You think Gilbert Arenas is ever after a show gone to Josiah? Hey, I'll start the Google Doc for tomorrow.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
We'd talk about it more than anybody.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
You know what? Your idea about following Jokic during a summer, there's something there, especially with all these international superstars in today's game. It'd be sort of cool if you're like, okay, we follow Luka for a summer. We follow Jokic for a summer. We go to Hamilton with SGA. I don't know. I don't think he goes back to Hamilton. But the point is, I like that idea. Yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Steven Adams, even, if he goes back and stuff like that.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
So we're going to hit the beach on today's podcast. You guys send in your emails. You send in your tweets. We've got some fun cues to tackle. But we have some NBA news first. The league announced yesterday that 76er star Dwell Embiid will be suspended for three games. for shoving columnist Marcus Hayes after Saturday's loss to the Grizzlies.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
All right. Next one here. This is from Anders in Norway. When Cat hits a three in MSG, the announcer must say, three-point goal, Carl Anthony, to make it sound like Carmelo. Can we make this happen? Do we like this idea from Anders?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, that's good enough. Maybe not all the time, but slip it in every once in a while. Keep people on their toes. Not a bad idea, Anders. No, it's good. It is a good one. See? They don't have to be questions. Sometimes they can just be suggestions here when we get on the beach.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
We like it. We're signing up on it.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
He's that old.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
It's like an iPad just stuck behind your TV.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Okay. No. Yeah, I was going a little overboard when I was getting upset about the bunny ears. And then a lot of people did say, look, they don't even look like that anymore. You don't need to see them, Skeets. Relax. You just got to get this thing, plug it in. No, I think you still got to switch that source. You got to switch the source.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I have a crazier idea. That's coax. I have a crazier idea. You pay the NBA, like, a monthly fee, maybe even a yearly fee, to watch your team or, hell, all the games. Isn't that crazy? That'll never work. That'll be amazing.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Good to see that we've had some technological advancements with antennas. Antennas are back. They're squares now. I don't even feel right calling that an antenna. That's the weird part.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I'm quoting Joe Dumars here, which he said in a statement, End quote. Three games for Embiid. I think we have learned that he is going to start the suspension basically tonight, right?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
We all know it. How did Adam Silver not say it's got to be silver? You'd think that'd be the one thing he would be like, demand from our antennas. But all right. Thank you, Clara, there for sending those photos in.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
All right, next one. Long-time fan, first time in years DM-er. Not sure if it's been pitched before, but I'm thinking it would be cool if free throws were like coaches' challenge. If you miss the first, you don't get a second. If you hit the first, you get a second. With three-point fouls, you get one miss. Thoughts? That's from Harley from Melbourne, Australia.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
He is saying what they do in college. One-on-one, basically.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Okay, okay. We like this idea of one-on-one in the NBA.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah. No one wants to watch free throws. Besides Lee Ellis. Yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Not everyone.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
So what Harley's saying here, you miss the first one, it's like, all right, rebound, game on.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Right, so you step up to the line. Okay, you got fouled on the three-point shot. Step up to the line. You miss the first one, but that's okay. You, in theory, still have two attempts if you hit the second one. That's what he's saying. He's saying if you then miss the second one, you miss two of those three, it's over.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah, you crazy for this one, Harley. It just gets a little more difficult to track all of it, but I like the G League rule. I think they should try it, implement it. Just give them two points for a hit free throw. Just give them two points. It's actually that you're more incentivized to obviously not even foul. Try to avoid fouling, guys. Right? Sometimes you foul to like, wow, wrap that guy up.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
He's a 65% free throw shooter. Wow. I don't know how the math actually works on that because you only get the one shot. Anyway.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Okay, we'll get rid of all the bad free throw shooters. That'd be the good thing.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
That's a Tetris piece.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Sean's reporting that he's going to miss tonight's game against the Clippers, Friday's game against the Lakers, and Sunday's game versus the Hornets, meaning he will make his debut, in theory, for the first game of the NBA Cup when the Sixers take on the Knicks November 12th.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Backward squiggly. For sure. So there's seven pieces. And, you know, maybe we're continuing to blow your mind. They're all four pieces of blocks, too. I did not realize that. This is the most I've ever learned about Tetris. Previously, just knew how to play it. I think there's a show on Tetris, isn't there? Didn't they make a show, a documentary or something? I can't remember.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
How is Trey not the eye? I'm the eye. You're the eye. Everybody knows I'm the eye. You're the eye, dude. Like, I'm skinny, sure, but you're actually pretty skinny, too. You're much taller, so...
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Tess, how do you feel about being a T?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
But he was not even looking at the shape. He was giving a personality to the tee.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Unpredictable.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
But to me, I love the tee. Isn't the tee a good piece? I feel like the S and the Z are the ones that gets you in trouble. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
A T. I guess a T is versatile maybe in that sense, yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
And JD, is it a compliment to be called block solid? No, I didn't think so. Block solid. I'm not happy about this. Block solid. You're block solid, bro.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
How would you designate the pieces to the five of us here at No Dunks, JD?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah. No, no, no. Just the O. Just keep loading them up on top of each other. Just put them over to the side, man. Just keep going.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
What a question, Chief. You won't believe this. That wasn't even the craziest question Chief sent in this week. That's a great point, man.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
And they might be coming up here in the next question, to be honest. Well, let's get to that last question. It's very simple. It's from Seabeast902. It was on YouTube. Power rank pickles, please. So Seabeast wants a power ranking of, I guess, let's call it top five pickles. And, of course, we're going to turn to the pickle man himself. Let's do a top five.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
We got some technicalities here, maybe. Oh, yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yes, on the 12th in Philadelphia. Were you shocked at all by the three-game suspension? Like, when we talked about it, we were like, he's going to get suspended. He is. Be it one, two, three games, they go three. Surprised? Too severe?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
You are right. You are right. I feel like you can get good jalapenos, and then you can get straight up bad jalapenos. You're like, what's the point of this? That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I do like the flavor and the sweetness. You want some heat.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Have you ever done your own homemade?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
It's like too much.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Reminds me of my grandmother. May she rest in peace. Every meal, there was those pickles out on the table. She was pickling every meal. Oh, yeah. Wow. Nice little dish. I love it.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I agree. Thank you for the respect. And I don't like them. We've talked about it before. We give them to him if we're eating a meal and there's pickles beside your sandwich. They all go to him.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
You're right. You had to put it number one because it sometimes feels like it's really the only pickle. You made a case for all these other ones, but I don't know. It's like family feud. Ask 100 people to name a pickle. I swear to God. It's going to be 95% of people, I assume, are going to say dill pickle, right?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
It has to be number one.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Do you like those? Because you love dill pickle? Yeah.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah. I don't know. I'll eat them, but they go through waves. I'll eat them for a bit, and then I'm like, I don't ever want these again. And then a couple years later, dill pickles will come back into my life. Very odd.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Harvey's only a Canadian fast food chain.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
It's sort of weird when you think about it.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
We have the pickles. Harvey's.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah, Clipper's one and a half point favorites. So, close, close line here, but Clips need to win by two for me and Esh. Otherwise, you guys will get the victory. What about Harden's revenge? Double revenge. Yeah. Which revenge wins out? We'll find out tonight in the Intuit Dome. Yeah, lots of games on tonight. We will be back tomorrow to break down as many as possible.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
But keep your questions coming for the next Beach Step and NoDunks at TheAthletic.com or tweet them in at NoDunksInc.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Brace the day, people.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Yeah, that's a good point. There was a lot of jokes flying that the punishment should be he has to play. In the next three games, you saw that as suspension, but I think this is the only second suspension of Embiid's career. He got into a, you know, a fight, whatever, not really a fight, but you know what I mean, with Karl-Anthony Towns back in 2019, and he got two games for that. They both did.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
If you remember that little incident that they had.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I think that's the only time Embiid's been suspended was that little dust-up there with Carl Anthony Townsend. That was great.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
that's why he's not sitting or excuse me that's why he's not playing in both half of back to back but you can understand the NBA's concern with how they go about doing it like we already as is nobody gives a shit about the regular season like it's like been diluted to like it doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter and the Sixers again I get you need him beat healthy come postseason but like they're like doubling down on that
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Well, it doesn't really matter. So we will just tell you right now, left knee management. And we don't really know when he's going to play all that much. And we're, you know, he's not going to play the start of the season here, even though he played in the Olympics and all that. It's like, that's a little odd.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
They just fined him $100,000. They were upset by it.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
So you would be okay if the Sixers, if it was up to them, they would just be like, you know what, Embiid, just take the regular season off. Or come back in April and get ready for the playoff. Well, I mean, that's obviously the severe end of the spectrum, but like... If the whole plan is to have him healthy, would you be okay with that?
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
I'm looking at this from a fan perspective. He just played in the Olympics. He was healthy when I saw him. No back-to-backs there. Well, okay, the back-to-back, I'm with you. Maybe there are back-to-backs in the Olympics. But I think they're more concerned. They're not really calling it an injury, this specific part of his knee. It's like this management. They literally said left knee management.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
See more when you hear it.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
That's all. The issue right now is not him not playing in back to back. It's not him playing at all. Those are two massively different things. Yes. Anyway, as Lowe said, another very normal season for the Sixers in a decade plus long streak of totally normal basketball seasons.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Like you said, we now in theory know he's playing on November 12th. He's going to play in his first game this season in this NBA Cup. Big, big game there. All right, in other injury news, the Denver Nuggets will be without starting power forward Aaron Gordon for multiple weeks due to a calf injury. AG suffered this injury in the Nuggets win over the Raptors on Monday night.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
He only played like three or four minutes, obviously didn't return to the game, and is going to miss extended time here. TK, this is, I mean, I'm saying the obvious here, not great for the Nuggets, who are already pretty shallow when it comes to the depth and how they've started their season and scraping out some victories against some of these worst teams. And now they're going to miss AG.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Here comes this wispy hair.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
They're going to need a couple strong weeks here from Michael Porter Jr., to sort of like maintain maybe a 500 record or above because he's had a couple decent games i know he had a good one in the uh win against the nets and the jazz but He has just said it's sort of been a knock his entire career, right? He's just not consistent enough for a guy that is paid max money.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
He has to really string these games together, especially now with Aaron Gordon out, who just signed his contract extension, what, right before the start of the season, the four-year, $133 million. So sucks for the Nuggets in a weird start to their season. Yeah. I guess the only other takeaway is maybe this does set up for another Jokic MVP. This was like the narrative we talked about.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
It's like, the only way he can win a fourth one is if nobody plays on his team and he drags them to a good record once again. But I'm with you guys. I don't think they're going to be top four in the Western Conference. Doesn't feel like it. What we've seen at least so far, and now these guys dropping like flies here, it'll probably be near the bottom there of the playoffs or play-in, possibly.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Other injury news, Jeremy Sohan has suffered a fractured left thumb, and he's scheduled to have surgery this week. I just slipped that in there because they just keep coming, man. Every guy is getting injured here. He obviously has had a better year than he had last year. He was put in an uncomfortable position as a point guard last year. 15-8-3, the numbers were there.
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Beach Steppin' | Embiid's Suspension, Prestige Zone Players & Pickle Rankings
Sometimes still looks a little clunky with him and Wemenyama, but not good for the Spurs here. I don't know if you guys have anything to add to Sohan. I'm going to miss a couple weeks at least.