Jay Young

Well, you have that absolutely right, Andrea. We're talking about eight murder victims, four crime scenes. It's just, it boggles the mind.

Well, you have that absolutely right, Andrea. We're talking about eight murder victims, four crime scenes. It's just, it boggles the mind.

The Wagners are a large family that lives not too far away from the rodents. In fact, they were friends, by all counts, of the rodents.

The Wagners are a large family that lives not too far away from the rodents. In fact, they were friends, by all counts, of the rodents.

Jake Wagner had a relationship with... one of the children of the rodents, Hannah Mae. And together they had a child, Sophia. Jake and Hannah Mae quickly became estranged after Sophia was born. Hannah Mae moved out and took Sophia with her. Jake wasn't happy about that. Nor were the Wagners happy about that.

Jake Wagner had a relationship with... one of the children of the rodents, Hannah Mae. And together they had a child, Sophia. Jake and Hannah Mae quickly became estranged after Sophia was born. Hannah Mae moved out and took Sophia with her. Jake wasn't happy about that. Nor were the Wagners happy about that.

In the course of the investigation, investigators learned that the Wagners feared young Sophia was being abused by a member of the Rodin family. Jake testified that the Wagners decided something needed to be done. They wanted Sophia back. They decided that they would not just kill the mother of Sophia, Hannah Mae, but they were going to kill everyone else in the family.

In the course of the investigation, investigators learned that the Wagners feared young Sophia was being abused by a member of the Rodin family. Jake testified that the Wagners decided something needed to be done. They wanted Sophia back. They decided that they would not just kill the mother of Sophia, Hannah Mae, but they were going to kill everyone else in the family.

So there were no other survivors to seek retribution.

So there were no other survivors to seek retribution.

It's beyond unbelievable.

It's beyond unbelievable.

Yeah, there was really no evidence of it.

Yeah, there was really no evidence of it.

There were multiple crime scenes, but there was very little physical evidence. But they did find foot impressions in the blood. I hate to say it. They were able to determine that the footprints were from a shoe that was sold at Walmart. and they were able to determine the size.

There were multiple crime scenes, but there was very little physical evidence. But they did find foot impressions in the blood. I hate to say it. They were able to determine that the footprints were from a shoe that was sold at Walmart. and they were able to determine the size.

And lo and behold, after they conducted a search warrant on the Wagners' property, they discovered a receipt for shoes from a Walmart. And they ultimately were also able to seize the Wagners' computers. And one of the interesting things they found was a screenshot of a conversation that Hannah Mae had with someone months before the massacre. She says, the Wagners want to take custody of my child.

And lo and behold, after they conducted a search warrant on the Wagners' property, they discovered a receipt for shoes from a Walmart. And they ultimately were also able to seize the Wagners' computers. And one of the interesting things they found was a screenshot of a conversation that Hannah Mae had with someone months before the massacre. She says, the Wagners want to take custody of my child.

If they want custody, they're going to have to kill me first.

If they want custody, they're going to have to kill me first.