Jay Young

Hi, Andrea. Thanks for having me.

Well, you have that absolutely right, Andrea. We're talking about eight murder victims, four crime scenes. It's just, it boggles the mind.

Well, you have that absolutely right, Andrea. We're talking about eight murder victims, four crime scenes. It's just, it boggles the mind.

Well, you have that absolutely right, Andrea. We're talking about eight murder victims, four crime scenes. It's just, it boggles the mind.

The Wagners are a large family that lives not too far away from the rodents. In fact, they were friends, by all counts, of the rodents.

The Wagners are a large family that lives not too far away from the rodents. In fact, they were friends, by all counts, of the rodents.

The Wagners are a large family that lives not too far away from the rodents. In fact, they were friends, by all counts, of the rodents.

Jake Wagner had a relationship with... one of the children of the rodents, Hannah Mae. And together they had a child, Sophia. Jake and Hannah Mae quickly became estranged after Sophia was born. Hannah Mae moved out and took Sophia with her. Jake wasn't happy about that. Nor were the Wagners happy about that.

Jake Wagner had a relationship with... one of the children of the rodents, Hannah Mae. And together they had a child, Sophia. Jake and Hannah Mae quickly became estranged after Sophia was born. Hannah Mae moved out and took Sophia with her. Jake wasn't happy about that. Nor were the Wagners happy about that.

Jake Wagner had a relationship with... one of the children of the rodents, Hannah Mae. And together they had a child, Sophia. Jake and Hannah Mae quickly became estranged after Sophia was born. Hannah Mae moved out and took Sophia with her. Jake wasn't happy about that. Nor were the Wagners happy about that.

In the course of the investigation, investigators learned that the Wagners feared young Sophia was being abused by a member of the Rodin family. Jake testified that the Wagners decided something needed to be done. They wanted Sophia back. They decided that they would not just kill the mother of Sophia, Hannah Mae, but they were going to kill everyone else in the family.

In the course of the investigation, investigators learned that the Wagners feared young Sophia was being abused by a member of the Rodin family. Jake testified that the Wagners decided something needed to be done. They wanted Sophia back. They decided that they would not just kill the mother of Sophia, Hannah Mae, but they were going to kill everyone else in the family.

In the course of the investigation, investigators learned that the Wagners feared young Sophia was being abused by a member of the Rodin family. Jake testified that the Wagners decided something needed to be done. They wanted Sophia back. They decided that they would not just kill the mother of Sophia, Hannah Mae, but they were going to kill everyone else in the family.

So there were no other survivors to seek retribution.

So there were no other survivors to seek retribution.

So there were no other survivors to seek retribution.

It's beyond unbelievable.

It's beyond unbelievable.

It's beyond unbelievable.

Yeah, there was really no evidence of it.