J.D. Tomlinson

And so I think that created these enemies that I never thought they would go as far as they do. I just never, you know, maybe it's naivete, but I was just, I never assumed that they would go that far. But they did. Yeah.

I couldn't believe they were ultimately convicted. I couldn't believe that there were four trials where people believed Avery. You know, I never told you this story, Josh, but I knew one of the lawyers for one of the defendants, but I won't mention names.

I couldn't believe they were ultimately convicted. I couldn't believe that there were four trials where people believed Avery. You know, I never told you this story, Josh, but I knew one of the lawyers for one of the defendants, but I won't mention names.

I couldn't believe they were ultimately convicted. I couldn't believe that there were four trials where people believed Avery. You know, I never told you this story, Josh, but I knew one of the lawyers for one of the defendants, but I won't mention names.

And I heard from a good source that would hang around with him in the office on Saturday that like almost like almost every Saturday, one of the defendants would call him. And after the phone call, he would cry because he would say that man does not deserve to be there. And I screwed it up.

And I heard from a good source that would hang around with him in the office on Saturday that like almost like almost every Saturday, one of the defendants would call him. And after the phone call, he would cry because he would say that man does not deserve to be there. And I screwed it up.

And I heard from a good source that would hang around with him in the office on Saturday that like almost like almost every Saturday, one of the defendants would call him. And after the phone call, he would cry because he would say that man does not deserve to be there. And I screwed it up.

And and so and and I in when I heard that it made sense to me because what in Josh is right I was looking for some reason Why I was making the wrong decision, you know, it's a big decision to decide to maybe try to free four people from prison I want to be sure I want to get there You have to let it from all angles you have to and and I understood I appreciated Josh's tenacity because that's what good defense attorneys do but I had to get there myself and so I had a

And and so and and I in when I heard that it made sense to me because what in Josh is right I was looking for some reason Why I was making the wrong decision, you know, it's a big decision to decide to maybe try to free four people from prison I want to be sure I want to get there You have to let it from all angles you have to and and I understood I appreciated Josh's tenacity because that's what good defense attorneys do but I had to get there myself and so I had a

And and so and and I in when I heard that it made sense to me because what in Josh is right I was looking for some reason Why I was making the wrong decision, you know, it's a big decision to decide to maybe try to free four people from prison I want to be sure I want to get there You have to let it from all angles you have to and and I understood I appreciated Josh's tenacity because that's what good defense attorneys do but I had to get there myself and so I had a

I wanted to take my parents to Mexico City. I called my mom and said, we're not going to Mexico City. It's not happening. So we just stayed. And I just but it was so it was almost therapeutic for me because I had been so much stress on my own case. It was nice to divert attention away from me and try to think about something else. So I really immersed myself in it.

I wanted to take my parents to Mexico City. I called my mom and said, we're not going to Mexico City. It's not happening. So we just stayed. And I just but it was so it was almost therapeutic for me because I had been so much stress on my own case. It was nice to divert attention away from me and try to think about something else. So I really immersed myself in it.

I wanted to take my parents to Mexico City. I called my mom and said, we're not going to Mexico City. It's not happening. So we just stayed. And I just but it was so it was almost therapeutic for me because I had been so much stress on my own case. It was nice to divert attention away from me and try to think about something else. So I really immersed myself in it.

And I went to crime scene, which I always believe defense attorneys should go to every every case I had. I went to the crime scene. I learned something that I didn't know. But I eventually got there, and it was extraordinary, though. Not only was this case just on this individual, Avery Jr. 's testimony, he might have been the worst witness I've ever seen in my life.

And I went to crime scene, which I always believe defense attorneys should go to every every case I had. I went to the crime scene. I learned something that I didn't know. But I eventually got there, and it was extraordinary, though. Not only was this case just on this individual, Avery Jr. 's testimony, he might have been the worst witness I've ever seen in my life.

And I went to crime scene, which I always believe defense attorneys should go to every every case I had. I went to the crime scene. I learned something that I didn't know. But I eventually got there, and it was extraordinary, though. Not only was this case just on this individual, Avery Jr. 's testimony, he might have been the worst witness I've ever seen in my life.

I mean, so not only was there no physical evidence that linked these men to it, the only witness that was present was perhaps the worst I'd ever seen.

I mean, so not only was there no physical evidence that linked these men to it, the only witness that was present was perhaps the worst I'd ever seen.

I mean, so not only was there no physical evidence that linked these men to it, the only witness that was present was perhaps the worst I'd ever seen.

Well, you know, I must have a caveat because I do love and respect Chris Cook. I really do. He's been there for me a lot in my career. Where I disagree with his opinion is the idea that I didn't have any experience with the idea that maybe Tony Sillow couldn't be objective.