JD Vance

Right.

So to your point about it being a religious idea, I mean, I would say I know a number of non-religious people who are very pro-life.

And I think the honest answer is that what we're doing is we're trying to figure out what is the right balance between autonomy and life.

And I say this as somebody who, when Ohio made this decision, I campaigned very aggressively for the more pro-life position in the state of Ohio.

And my side lost.

In fact, we got our asses kicked.

We lost 60-40.

And I took some learning from that.

I think one of the things that I took as a learning as a guy who cares about this issue is Republicans, we've got to earn the people's trust because they don't trust the idea that when we say that we're pro-family, we don't just mean pro-birth.

A lot of people say you're pro-birth, but you're not actually pro-family.

And I think there's a lot that we can do as Republicans to try to earn back the trust of the American people.

But if I'm trying to represent as fairly as I can the pro-choice and the pro-life position, here's what I think is really going on is you have something.

Now, some people would say maybe religiously motivated, maybe not, that it's a human life.

I would say that it's a human life.

but at least has the potential to be human life.

And then on the other hand, you have, again, I freely recognize this, you have a woman who wants to make a choice about what she wants to do with her own body.

Those are two very profound values, both of which I think are valuable, right?

I mean, I think autonomy is really important.

I also think life is really important.

And what we're trying to talk about fundamentally, I think, again, I'm trying to be fair to both sides here, is to balance the interest in life against the interest in autonomy.