JD Vance

Well, it also, I mean, it's apparently they couldn't get the encrypted messages that were sent.

So I'm pretty careful about, like, making sure I use Signal and iMessage and all that stuff.

That's great.

So, I mean, look, maybe they got some stuff.

We'll find out eventually.

I try not to worry too much about shit I can't control.

But one thing that came up, by the way, in that and I'll go back to your question is about the grid.

One thing that came up in that is the way that they hacked.

And it was also President Trump's phone, apparently, too.

The way that they hacked our phones is they used the backdoor telecom infrastructure that had been developed in the wake of the Patriot Act.

And this is something that I think should be a much bigger part of the controversy over the Patriot Act is when the Patriot Act was passed, like AT&T, Verizon, they had to build all of these systems so that if somebody got a FISA warrant and could hack into a particular phone, the infrastructure actually existed.

What I've been told is

Is that that infrastructure was used by this Chinese hacker organization called Salt Typhoon.

And that's how they got into the Verizon network.

And that's how they got into the AT&T network.

If they have anything on me, I can't be too pissed off at them.

At least they named themselves Salt Typhoon.

But the answer to the question about the grid is this is actually – it's one of these things where if we had a functional government, it's pretty easy to develop the systems.

Because if you do like an EMP attack – Ron Johnson, who's a senator from Wisconsin, is really preoccupied with this –

It doesn't take down the whole grid.