JD Vance

And unfortunately, I mean, here's one thing that I really worry about is, OK.

Think about the incentives.

People are very good at rationalizing things.

If you are a middle class or upper middle class white parent, and the only thing that you care about is whether your child goes into Harvard or Yale, like obviously that pathway has become a lot harder for a lot of upper middle class kids.

But the one way that those people can participate in the DEI bureaucracy in this country is to be

And is there a dynamic that's going on where if you become trans, that is the way to reject your white privilege, right?

That's the social signifier.

The only one that's available in the hyper-woke mindset is if you become gender non-binary.

Because you don't even have to do anything.

Yeah, well, that's right.

And again, I think it's important to sort of, you know, most people are not saying, oh, I'm white privileged.

How do I become part of the privileged set?

But it's these weird ways in which these ideas creep into the mainstream.

And people are very good at rationalizing these things.

And so what I think 20, 30 years ago, even among very well-to-do white progressives, like an 11-year-old says – 11-year-old boy says, I think that I'm a girl.

Most of the time we would have said, oh, that's ridiculous and crazy and ha, ha, ha, and come back to me in a couple of days.

Now I think there is this massive incentive to try to say, oh, my God.

does that mean that my kid is trans?

And I also think it's, to your point, very warping on the minds of young kids, because what they're now doing is taking normal adolescent curiosity and normal adolescent discomfort.

Like, I don't know a single person who went from the ages of 10 to 15 who didn't say, oh, like, sometimes I had some, you know, weird ideas or I dressed weird for a couple of years or something, right?