JD Vance

It's crazy.

It's mind-blowing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, and it raises one of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake shit and distractions to distract us from the real stuff.

Right.

And so if I'm looking at the environmental movement, the United States of America, and I don't even have like strong views on politics.

the what the carbon footprint ultimately does.

I'm sort of skeptical of the experts here, but I'm also skeptical of the other side.

I just don't really know what I think about this.

I think it's insane to try to eliminate fossil fuels.

That's kind of a belief that I have.

But it's interesting that the environmental movement in America, the only thing that it talks about is the carbon footprint.

And it never talks about like, oh, why do we have the highest rates of obesity in the world right now?

Why is it that American kids spend less time outdoors in nature than they ever have in the history of our 250-year civilization?

There's this weird way in which we get distracted by the fake stuff instead of focusing on the real stuff.

And I think there is a really very important environmental conversation to be had.

It was interesting when –

And one of the first things that happened when I was a senator is this terrible train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, got a lot of headlines.

And it was a mistake at the time that wasn't obvious.