Jean-Baptiste Kempf

In the 2000s, there were weird codec packs with DLLs coming from this place.

With a lot of spyware.

With spyware, with you-know-what.

It wasn't reliable.

You didn't know.

And having a single player that was open source or single playback module slash player that could do this that was open source.

But I think the thing to emphasize is...

This task in the 2000s that Michael did was Sisyphean.

It was really the number of edge cases are beyond comprehension in terms of you could have a Chinese CCTV system that did one weird variant of MPEG-4 Part 2, what's known as MPEG-4 ASP.

And that was a weird variant.

And you had to fix that without breaking everybody else's.

Times a million.

It started in the 2000s with the Windows Media stuff because that was proprietary.

It started with the real media, so with Benjamin Larson.

Kostya Shishkov, that era.

That was the key groundwork.

And then in the 2010s was kind of the poor Mahal Kostya era, building, doing some of the most difficult codecs.

JB maybe can talk about GoToMeeting 4 and GoToMeeting 5.

What?

Yeah, so just for reference, one megabyte binary blob to reverse engineer is probably order of magnitude a month of work.