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Jean Smith

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

Egg freezing is expensive and college sophomores are not known for being especially wealthy.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

Nor is the process especially fun, so given a choice between IVF and sex with a romantic partner, most women would opt for the latter.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

But another reason is that the entire fertility industry is built around infertile women in their mid to late 30s and most doctors just don't have a clear mental model for how to deal with women in their mid-20s thinking about egg freezing.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

There are countless examples of this blind spot, but one of the most poignant is the fertility industry almost completely ignores all age-related fertility decline that occurs before the age of 35, to the point where they literally group every woman under 35 into the same bucket when reporting success metrics for IVF.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

This is far from the only issue.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

We not only ignore differences between 24 and 34-year-olds, but the way we measure success in IVF is fundamentally wrong, and this error specifically masks age-related fertility decline that occurs before the age of 35.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

If you go to an IVF clinic, create five embryos, get one transferred, and that embryo becomes a baby, you can go back two years later and get your second embryo transferred to have another child.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

If that works, your second child will be ignored by official statistics.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

Births beyond one that come from the same egg retrieval are not counted, so these differences in outcomes that come from having many viable embryos literally don't show up in success statistics.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

This practice specifically masks the benefits of freezing eggs in your mid-20s instead of mid-30s, because most of the decline between those two ages comes from having fewer viable embryos.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

What happens if we measure success differently?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

What if we instead measure the expected number of children you can have from a single egg retrieval and show how that changes as a function of age?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

The answer is the difference between freezing eggs at 25 and freezing them at 37 becomes much more stark.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

There's a 60% decline in expected births per egg retrieval between those two ages, and no one in the IVF industry will tell you this.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

Worse still, by age 35, over 10% of women won't be able to have ANY children from an egg freezing cycle due to various infertility issues which increase exponentially with age.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

So for a decent portion of egg freezing customers, they will get no benefit from freezing their eggs and they often won't find this out until 5 to 10 years later when they go back to the clinic and find that none of the eggs are turning into embryos.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19" by GeneSmith

Polygenic embryo screening.