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Jeff Dean

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

pretty much all of deep learning has taken off roughly because of that, because you can build it out of matrix multiplications that are n cubed operations and n squared bytes of

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Data communication, basically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You have to see the insight that seems like it's all about...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

all about kind of identifying opportunity costs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Like, okay, this is something like Larry Page, I think, used to always say, like, our second biggest cost is taxes and our biggest cost is opportunity costs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And if he didn't say that, then I've been misquoting him for years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But basically, it's like, what is the opportunity that you have that you're missing out on?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And in this case, I guess it was that, OK, you've got all of this chip area, and you're putting a very small number of arithmetic units on it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

fill the thing up with arithmetic units, you could have orders of magnitude more arithmetic getting done.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Now what else has to change?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Okay, the algorithms and the data flow and everything else.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Okay, data flow is extremely cheap and arithmetic is not cheap.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

What would AI look like today?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

That's interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, I mean, I think it might look more like AI looked like 20 years ago, but in the opposite direction.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I'm not sure.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I guess I joined Google Brain in 2012.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I'd left Google for a few years, happened to go back for lunch to visit my wife.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And we happened to sit down next to Jeff and the early Google Brain team.