Jeff Kao

So it's, it's, it's sort of like a mix of the two things, right?

You want to understand the tools and what's out there and, and they should help you really ship the thing you're trying to do.

And the thing you're trying to do can be very technical.

So in a lot of cases you can get really down, like deep into the foundation, depending on what you're doing, a lot of systems programming, uh,

This is a Rust podcast, right?

So there's that side of things.

But on the other hand, there's a whole ecosystem of digital products that don't necessarily need the best tooling or anything like that.

I think back to...

when you know in college like i i remember just creating some small websites by uploading things to like an ftp server from some of these like you know hosting companies that just give you a box and it's like here you go upload like index.php and then wow suddenly you you you have something that's connected to the internet like it can be something as simple as that so i i can see their pre appreciation for for tools but i i really don't think it's necessarily going to

I don't think it's necessarily productive to just focus on it, but it's a mix.

Yeah, it was very refreshing.

Rust really feels modern, and there are so many things to like coming from.

I guess at Radar, our main programming language is TypeScript.

We actually migrated to TypeScript from JavaScript a couple years ago, but looking at the JavaScript ecosystem where

Essentially, there's a library for everything.

There's a joke even on like, like stack overflow.

It's like, how do you add two plus two, just add this NPM package to add two numbers, you know.

So there's, you know, having, you know, really, even at the time where we first started building this, and we're definitely not early adopters, like, we started building our Rust project, maybe two, two and a half years ago or so.

There's a rich cargo crate ecosystem.

There's a formatter, flame graphs.