Jeff Lewis

We're good? We're ready? Yep. You don't wear headphones. You don't want to mess up your hair?

Okay, well maybe they're too tight.

Do you guys clean the mics and the headphones when you're done?

That's like a thing for me, the radio.

You don't do it or you do do it? I make them do it, but there's been a few times where I'm like, You smell it on the mic? Yeah, there was a few times where I smell it. I'm like, you guys need to clean this. Was there a guest who left the strongest odor? Well, I don't know who it was, but it used to be Radio Andy's the same studio. And I feel like we have less people now than we did.

So I feel like there was two shows before me or something. Or you know what? It was probably the night before. I think your smell's okay. That would be Natalie.

You have good breath.

Thank you.

Oh, we already started? Yeah, we already started.

Sorry, I thought we were off the...

Are you serious? Well, I don't know what took so long. You're a big deal.

You know what? I wasn't doing podcasts, actually, now that I think about it. I wasn't doing any podcasts. I really wasn't doing a lot of radio shows, but I have recently decided to do the bigger ones. Congratulations. Thank you. Because they're good hits for me. But I think the problem was is that press will pick up things I say and I know that they do that on my show.

I could not agree with you more on your show, Nick, sorry.

Yeah, so I'm going to wait till Monday.

But you guys can talk.

Um, no, I heard of you guys before I did two teas, which is that, isn't that you're under your umbrella? No, no.

Yeah. We have humble brag, which we just launched with Cynthia and Crystal. And who knew that that would be so successful. I love them. They're both on my show a lot, but I would never really pair them together. And it was such a great pairing. And I, I think I just read they were like the top 10 new podcasters. Yeah. We love that. Congratulations.

So you guys are, you both are getting a big cut of that.

Oh, look at that ring.

That's where it's going, Jeff. Wow, that's gorgeous. That's what Humble Brag is paying for. I need a podcast network like you guys have.

Yes, it's beautiful. Was she on the pod? We have not had her. We have not had Jen. Can I tell you? Yeah. You're going to love her. You're going to love her. She's very different, really, than what is perceived, I think, on the show. She's been on twice. My listeners love her. She's great with Katie. I think they're both the two of the best housewives, newest housewives we've seen in a while.

Really? Yeah. But I also like Bronwyn. Okay. Because we're very high on Bronwyn. But I do not like Todd.

I think Todd, he's fun. Hopefully you're driving yourself and you're not relying on them for transportation. We will make sure we have our own ride home.

My theory is she's planning her escape. My theory is that she is creating financial independence and she's going to bail. That's my prediction. But she doesn't need financial independence. She doesn't have a prenup. Oh, she doesn't?

That's like all Heather will fucking talk about. Well, I think she's on her way out. Who wouldn't be?

She's in love.

She seemed pretty in love. Not by the last few episodes.

Why are you talking about Ryan?

Have you met him? I have met Ryan. I liked Ryan. I thought he was very personable and very friendly. And I mean, I don't know. I mean, you got to respect somebody that takes in five kids and supports them.

You know, and he opened up his home when she lost her home. And I don't know.

I just want to make sure that that home is not going anywhere. Well, I mean, look, I don't know what's happening.

Well, I don't like, you know, they make her sound dumb. Like, I don't think she's a dumb person, meaning the castmates will refer to her as dumb. And I don't like that because, you know, I've met her and I found her to be very bright. I think you guys will too. Tell us more about Katie. I think Katie is extremely bright, articulate. I think she's no nonsense.

You know, in regards to the Orange County, did she make a few mistakes? Well, she's a rookie. Of course, she's going to make a few mistakes. But, you know, I think what you should be talking about is this craziness that happened on the reunion last night, O.C., which I don't know if you know, but I was kind of involved in all of this, like Shannon Bedore and, you know, the night of the DUI.

I obviously was privy to all of that information because we're close friends, but I'm the one that said to Shannon two weeks after the accident, I said, I don't see, you know, I was kind of piecing it all together. And I'm like, I don't see how he didn't hear the accident because, and I brought this up before on my show, but

I've been to that house and the front door, so it's on the water and the garage is on the street. And then you walk all the way down the side of the house to get to the front door. So I was going through the timeline in my head because Shannon said the accident happened right away. They got an argument on the driveway. The accident happened almost immediately. And I was like,

Shannon, I don't, I was thinking about this, like, I don't think he was in the house. Like, I think he was still outside when it happened. And that would have been a very, very loud crash. And the fact that he didn't, I said, I don't see how he didn't hear that. And I said, but I don't know for certain.

But it's possible he could have got into the home before the crash. If he ran.

That's what I said today. I'm like, you know, if he ran, I guess he could have got into the home quickly. But then is the house so quiet that you wouldn't hear a big accident out front?

True. I hear like every neighbor's dog barking, everything. So I'm the one that brought that up. And, you know, they wanted me to go on OC Housewives and talk about it.

But they wouldn't because Bravo would not indemnify me. And I was worried because John Jansen is obviously clearly so litigious. Very. And I'm very careful with my words. I don't know. Yeah. But he allegedly admitted to Heather and Tamara that he heard the accident. So I feel a little vindicated because we've been talking about this for months and months and months and months.

And oh, so I didn't go on OC Housewives because Bravo would not indemnify me and justifiably so because, you know, right afterwards he had sued her for the, you know, the alleged loan, which now has been settled.

I don't know, because Shane's shaking his head. No, I haven't. OK, after the finale.

Okay. But then Shannon found out after the reunion, right? Okay. It's insane. I mean, I just, cause I just found out this morning and my head is still spinning. And so I called, that's why I called Shannon. I'm like, I fucking wrecked this whole time. I knew it. I knew he heard it. And then, but it's still okay. Now we know they were outside. So apparently they were both on the driveway.

Now I know exactly where, which house, which was only like three houses over to the right. And apparently he hears this big crash and allegedly sends his daughter to go investigate.

I just think if you're dating anyone, I think if you, if you witnessed it, well, cause I had that accident, there was that accident on Laurel Canyon that I just kept going, but there is, I think in more normal circumstances, if any of you, if I witness, you know, a car accident out front that you were involved in, I would go and help someone, even if they were my enemies.

I know you're going to bring up the Laurel Canyon. That's Shane. He was my assistant, but he changed his title to chief of staff. It's fine.

Yeah.

you keep bringing up Laurel Canyon because I did witness an accident on Laurel Canyon. There was a guy on a scooter. He did crash on Laurel Canyon and I just felt like it was too dangerous for me to stop.

By the way, this guy on the scooter, he hit a pothole. And then like crashed to the right.

You know what? I'm embarrassed for him because I think he actually owned it.

Yeah, I think he actually owns the scooter and rides it on the regular.

Yeah. You know, he kind of felt sorry for him.

I made the mistake of telling it on radio that I witnessed the wreck, but someone else pulled over. So I knew that he was taken care of. Did you catch heat? You know what? You know, it happened so fast and I would have to like pull over and yes, I would have to pull over and back up on Laurel Canyon and,

And I just got my car and it's like.

It was just washing. Well, my car is like a first edition and I waited a year for it. And I'm like, I can't risk someone hitting it.

I love that car.

So I love Real Housewives of New York City because I can see its potential. And so, because people are like, that's your favorite? When are they going to reach it? Yeah, well, it might take a little longer. I just, you know, I think they're amazing characters and very interesting women. I completely agree with that. They seem like sophisticated.

Because they're too self-edited. Yeah. They are messy. They're all messy. I promise you. They're all messy.

I haven't met her, but as she projects on the TV screen. She's pretty much our queen. Don't you think, Shane? Top tier. As a housewife or as a human being? Both. Yeah.

You're actually going to really like her.

I'm not okay with it at all. At all. With the pranks. I think it just, it kind of sent us like on a tailspin for like, what, two episodes? And then it turned out, and I'm invested. So I'm invested. So then now I'm like, oh my God. And then you just feel like the rug got pulled out from underneath you. And then now I don't trust them.

And now how do I know that in episode nine, whatever they're talking about even is real because you already pranked us once. So they've lost my trust. They pulled the curtain back almost. Yeah, but I think that's a producer error.

What does that look like? Who's doing what? I have changed my mind about bringing in a few OGs. I think maybe, what if we brought in, what if we got rid of a couple OGs? And then we brought in a couple OGs to shake it up. Who are we killing? We have to get rid of Rebecca, right? We have to. I mean, I'm sure she's a nice person. She seems lovely. Yeah.

But she doesn't want to talk about Scientology unless she wants to promote it. And it's like, eh. Actually, she's... Okay, so I'm friends with Aaron and Psy. And yeah, Uwe just came on the show. So there are three, but she's also very self edited, Rebecca. And she has, I mean, I get it. She's got a big business, a lot to protect. The fuck are you doing on housewives?

And I don't get that. I just, I, cause I've been around for a long time. I know I look young, but I've been around for a long time and they, I always, I'm always perplexed by the people that have money and they just want to do this for fame. Most of us are hustling to make a buck. And that's why we do this. I could give a shit about fame. And actually, when Flipping Out originally started,

I remember my business partner at the time, we would have these discussions. I'm like, do you think I want to be the front man? I'd love to be you. I'd love to be you and come in for a few scenes here and there because I was taking all the heat and take 50% of the earnings. That's what was happening with my business partner. But he actually, he ended up wanting the fame.

But I just wanted money. That's all I really want is money.

The only reason I'm even going back to Bravo. The only reason I'm going back to Bravo is for the platform. The platform, which by the way, will hopefully bring people, listeners to the radio, subscribers to SiriusXM. It's a commercial for the radio. That's why I'm doing it. Jeff Lewis needs your money. Jeff Lewis, yes.

Yeah. After $100 million, I'm out. I mean, I can't imagine them bringing you back. I mean, there were times where she would show up in a scene. I'm like, oh yeah, she's on the show. That's not a good sign.

Okay. Here's the thing. I personally don't like Brynn. But I can separate myself, right? I can be like, okay, I'm a viewer and I really kind of enjoy hating this person. And I think I would miss hating this person as a viewer. So I personally don't like her, but I'm not going to eliminate her because of how I feel personally. What does she do to you? I think you have to have a villain.

I think you have to have a villain. Have to. At least one. Right. And I think she's become a villain. What did she do? Why do you hate her? Do you not watch the show? Your show? Not my show. Don't care about it. New York? New York. Are you watching it? We're watching it. I have checked out before. She's two-faced. She's lying left and right. She's exaggerating. She's completely divisive.

Spinning stories. Spinning stories. She's doing damage to what are good relationships. And I don't like that. She's purposely coming in between friends. And I don't like that kind of behavior. Although I do it every day on the radio. I don't like it when other people do it. I can do it.

What's the difference between that and what Lisa does?

That is true.

You know? Okay, but, alright. I don't

If I have to.

If I have to. On a short flight.

On a short flight if I have to.

I want to go home. So for me, like, I don't want to fly to LA and spend the night in LA. And you know, if I were her, like, I want to go home. I don't care. Like put me in row 45. Am I going to love it? No, but I want to go home.

So I'll, you know, my, my preference is when I book a flight that I get business or first, but if I can't and I really need to get home or I really need to get someplace and I've got to take, you know, that particular flight, then I'll fly coach. Just fortunately it doesn't happen very often.

That's what I'm confused about, but yes.

I'm not getting rid of her. I'm leaving her. I actually don't think Jenna's adding a lot, but people do. She's just so cool. I like... Jessel? I would keep Jessel. I love Jessel. I'm keeping Erin. I'm keeping Uba. I'm keeping Sai. I'm keeping Jessel. I'm probably getting rid of Jenna. I'm going to leave Brynn just so we can have a villain. Sure.

And I do think if you brought in an OG like Dorinda, I think she would just devour her in one, in the very first scene. And I kind of want to see the carnage. Yeah. So maybe I'm bringing back like Dorinda and the Countess and like one other. I'm not sure which one because I don't think it would be Sonia. I just find her to be very messy and a liability.

Yes, she's on my list. Countess for sure. Countess and Dorinda. Maybe I'm bringing back like three OGs.

And getting rid of like two or three.

No, you know, Andy and I were actually talking about it because I was on Watch What Happens last week. We were talking about it. And he said, you know, I'll be honest with you. He said, he goes, you know, a lot of people are missing the OGs. I just don't know how that works. Ramona lives in Florida. You know, Sonya lives in Florida. Like logistically, how do we do this? You could ask him to move.

But he also loves the new cast. And I think he's like me where, you know, you can only fake it for so long. For me, it lasted literally two weeks, literally two weeks. Like I was trying so hard to protect myself and it's exhausting. Like thinking it's exhausting. Like thinking about what you're going to say before you say it.

It takes a lot of brain power. And I was, I found myself very tired. So finally I was like, after two weeks I was like, fuck it. I don't care.

Yes, I do remember that.

I'm not ready to pull the plug on them.

Have you met her? Yes, actually, it's a shame because Alexis and I were friendly and actually she attended one of my live events and we like hung out backstage. This was pre, pre, pre everything.

And I actually really liked Alexis and it's a shame because I had to choose sides, you know, and I hate being in that position, but I had to choose sides and I'm very close with Shannon and I actually didn't like the situation either. So even if they were both really like good friends, I don't like the situation.

All right. So I'm not going to criticize anyone, but I noticed that you have a lot of people working here and not one person brought water that I had right there on your feet. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. You're getting a little, Oh, you're getting a little taste of what it's like to work for me.

Whoever brought that. Do you need anything else? I'm good. Thank you, Meg. I'm really good now. Thank you. I did fan Luann while she was here.

Did you really? Yeah. I love her. She's such a great time. She's actually, she made a big impact on my life. Really? I've had her on my show a few times. And after the show, I was in New York and I said, let's go to lunch. And we had I wouldn't say it was a boozy lunch. What constitutes boozy? I had two drinks. Is that boozy? I don't think two drinks is boozy, but whatever.

It's a business lunch.

It's two drinks. Did you feel lighter after lunch? I started talking to her about her life and her perspective on things now. I mean, she's all about, this is the second half of my life. I'm just going to have fun. I'm not going to do anything I don't want to do. And living in the moment, taking all these opportunities. And I'm like, I need to take a page out of that handbook. Mm-hmm.

And I really have been consciously doing things that I don't really want to do, but I do. And I'm like, God, I had fun. Or I'm really trying to create more balance in my life.

I'm saying yes more.

That was the first part of my life.

Yeah, I could be more fun. I'm less stressed than I was. I think a lot of it had to do, I was a young kid. Well, I thought I was young, but I was in my mid-30s and I had the weight of the world on my shoulders and I had so much stress that no one that age should have. I had all these employees and all of these contractors and subcontractors that were relying on me. I had multiple homes.

I had investors. I had bank loans. And it was almost a little, it was probably a shell game, really, where I needed the money out of this house to then put in the second house and the third house. It was so much pressure and stress. And I think that had a lot to do with how I behaved. And so now, you know, financially things are calmer. And I always talk about this too.

I think to chase that, let's just say someone's making 50,000 a year. And that was never enough for me. Like I always wanted more and more and more. And I would take on things that I really shouldn't do to make another five or 10 grand. And I realized to make that other five or 10 grand, it was killing me. And in the end, it really didn't change my life.

Making that extra 10% didn't change my life. And I had no balance whatsoever. And that is really, truly the reason why my long-term relationship failed. is because we weren't investing in the relationship. It was all about chasing work, chasing money. And I think we both had a little fear of scarcity.

And I came from a family that was somewhat affluent, but my dad was an entrepreneur and there was a lot of ups and downs. And so it wasn't like consistent. And with him, I think it was the same. So we were always afraid to turn down business. But when we did that, we took on too much and at the toll of our relationship.

And honestly, not just our relationship, friendships, family relationships, you just weren't investing at all. And that was probably one of the biggest mistakes that I have made. And so now it's hard for me though. I turn things down a lot, much like this podcast. I've, I turned things down.

Right. So I, I think that was, that's been my biggest mistake in the, in the past. And I just, I also wasn't, I didn't have the emotional tools to deal with anxiety and stress. Obviously, there's 11 seasons of it. I would act out every which way on every person and innocent people. Some were not innocent, but a lot were.

I remember my reactions were so big because I was already on the brink ready to explode. I don't know. I bet this next show is going to be boring. I'm still a little eccentric, but I don't

I don't feel like she has evolved and I think I love Patty. I love Patty and I love her character on TV. Yeah. But people aren't that way anymore. You can't. Yeah. I mean, I used to do it. Don't get me wrong, but you would like Patty. No miss. You know, I would kind of mistreat people. I would speak to people, you know, it was not very favorable how I spent, I spoke to people and, and,

I will say I mistreated people. How would you have asked for that water before?

But see, isn't that passive aggressive?

Yeah. Like where's the, where's the water asked for? What the fuck? I mean, yeah, Patty would do that, but I'd be like, how many times I have to ask for water? You know? Yeah. Whatever. Patty would do that. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So I think we got rewarded for that behavior back then. And it's a different time. And you can't get away with that stuff anymore. You just can't. You have to evolve.

and you know i think she probably again dear friend of mine i think she has a big heart she's always been good to me but i think there needs to be some evolving it's fair we'll leave it at that yeah and do you think alexis belino is evolving i think she's blindly defending i hate saying johnny jay because i know him as john jansen yeah because i feel like johnny jay is he can't see you because it's johnny jay you know oh right it's way around it no

Well, anyone can sue anyone for anything.

And honestly, the old guy in the this thing that he looks good, though.

I mean, I have to I have to give him that. He does physically look good in some of those confessionals. Again, I don't agree with the situation. I don't. If if he did indeed hear the accident, which we didn't hear this from him, though, that's why to be careful. Yeah. So this is just hearsay. So you got to be careful about that. Allegedly.

Well, I was upset for Shannon because, you know, she did tell her that in confidence and then she leaked it to the rest of the group. But then the rest of the group saying that they already knew about it. There's always, you know, gossip and leaks and, you know, you can never really trust them at all not to repeat things.

But I think what really bothers me, which has sent me reeling today, and this is why I called Shannon, because apparently, you know, Heather and Tamron had this information for months and they just did a three part reunion. Why was this not brought up and why? Like, what was the goal and the motive of of omitting that information?

Especially when the whole season is about it. The whole season. And now you have the smoking gun. You got the smoking gun and you choose not to say anything, even during the reunion. And then the only reason that Shannon found out, because she ran into them at a restaurant afterwards. Did you know about this?

They filmed the reunion. She goes to Steak 48 with a couple of people. And they run into, I think John Jansen was there. Alexis was there. Heather was there. Tamara was there. And I guess Heather, she spoke to Heather and then Heather spilled it.

Pretty much.

Yeah. And then I don't know if I'm allowed to say how all goes down, but they ended up picking cameras back up.

Someone called somebody. Somebody called somebody. Yeah. And notified them. And then they were like, what the fuck? Like, we got to set a scene. We got to do this. I don't know why you would not.

This puts me in a difficult position because I'm friends with Tamara, but I'm going to ask her. I'm going to hear out. Why would you not repeat this information?

Well, you could have brought it up in part one, part two, or part three of the reunion. That would have been a good time. Or at the finale, that would have been a good time too.

yeah well i heard a rumor i heard a rumor she took she was on xanax so she wouldn't so she wouldn't react and i'm gonna start doing that you should have given me a xanax where i walked in yeah she was like oh i got a hug and everyone's crying because i did something right great yeah that's because she was an she was an unusually calm tamra do you think they're all gonna come back next season or you think alexis is gonna be i don't see how her storyline continues

So as a viewer, I kind of want to keep them. Yeah. But it's like, I mean, I feel like I'm betraying my friend. But again, I can separate. There's I'm friends with them off camera. And then I'm also in this avid viewer fan. So I kind of like hating them. You need someone to hate.

Do you think Shannon's... We can go back to hating Heather.

I did that for years. But then we made up. But now, I don't know. Like, now I want to know, why didn't you help out our friend here?

I kind of like seeing the opposite extremes. Sure, but it just always puts Heather in a bad light. Heather puts Heather in a bad light. Okay. No, I don't want to cause any problems because we're good, but look, I'm responsible for the things I do and say, and I own it and I get dragged every fucking day of the week and I'm used to it.

I pissed off somebody every single day and I'm responsible, but we get, you know, I'm immune to it at this point. I was trained for this. I mean, I, I'm, there is literally nothing. Nothing you can say about me that hasn't been said.

I talk about this all the time. It is a very happy place, my bubble. I'll read my Instagram comments, but I don't go. We have all these fan pages and things like that. I stay away from all of them. I don't read Reddit. I don't even want to fucking hear about it. I do just Live in a bubble. And it's a very nice place if you want to visit.

We're not concerned about what happens outside the bubble.

We have a similar bubble.

Well, I think when you're public people and you have a big platform, I think you're going to be open to more criticism and trolls and all of that. I also can own what I do. Sometimes people are wrong, but sometimes I might get a negative comment. I'm like, well, yeah, I might be right. You know what I mean? But I don't want to give them the satisfaction. But yeah, I'm like, well, okay.

I could be a little of that.

Yeah. This is all a bit. I don't let it ruin my day, my life. I just don't. I don't let it do that. Because if you really go down that road, the Reddit is awful. But you could just ruin your whole day weekend. I've seen it ruin people's lives.

But I've said this over and over. It's the best advice Andy Cohen gave me. It was within the first two weeks of Flipping Out airing. And I was, people didn't, they misunderstood me or they probably understood me. And it was a lot of negative. And Andy's like, stop, stop reading.

Don't believe the good. Don't believe the bad. And ever since then, it's been a nice.

It handcuffs you creatively. I have no idea what's going on outside this wall. There you go.

But you think she'd be good in bed?

You haven't thought about it? Yeah, no.

um okay name that there's i like kyle i like kyle a lot sutton i love sutton i love garcelle erica i like erica i don't know erica very well i feel like i could like her but i don't know her very well i do hang out i probably hang out the most with sutton uh and kyle kyle i see frequently well kind of somewhat frequently and then who else is on there

I like Kathy. Yeah, that's kind of it, really. Again, I don't really love Dorit personally, but I like watching Dorit. Have you met her personally? Yes. She's blocked me on Instagram. I don't know what I said, but yeah, she's blocked me. I hate that. That doesn't make me like her. I don't really care.

probably doesn't even know i tried to invite her to a party and then i'm like it's not going through and then i'm like she blocked me why did she block me and then um i ran into her bravo con i'm like hey um she was walking really fast like to her next event and i was like walking behind her and uh i said hey you blocked me on instagram she's like um yeah i probably did because you probably said something shitty and then she kept and i laughed and then she kept walking away

That was it.

She knew it. She probably knows exactly what I said too. Yeah. But yeah, that was kind of a funny exchange.

Where do you guys live?

How many kids? One?

Ooh.

Monroe.

Thank you.

When did she just turn? She just turned eight. Just turned eight.

She's sweet with me. She's good at school. She's very good at school. She's stubborn. She's strong. Very strong. Very stubborn. Very opinionated.

Has no issue with conflict with me. Has no problem taking me on. Perfect. And she did yesterday over... And tell me if there's something wrong. So I understand... I keep calling myself a new parent, but it's been eight years. So I can't really, you can't really use that excuse anymore, but I'm still trying to figure out, like I've never had an eight year old. Every year, every day is new.

So I am kind of a new parent that way. So on Sunday, she was not behaving well. I don't say, cause I made the mistake before on the radio of saying she was being a little bitch. And people got really mad at me. So now I don't say that anymore. So I'm going to say that she was misbehaving. She wasn't listening. She was not cooperative. And I, all I did was I said, look, today wasn't great for you.

I said, I'm going to rate you a five out of 10. And she was so mad. She's like, well, no one's perfect. And that is average. I said, actually, it's not average. I said, you got five out of 10, which is 50%, which is an F. I said, you did not pass. And so, but then we start arguing about it. She's like, well, I don't, I mean, what did I do? What did I do this and that?

And so she's still so mad at me about rating her, but this is what happened last yesterday. So I pick her up. We go to the new house. We have a house under construction. And then we go to El Pollo Loco, which I love. She didn't seem to love it, but I loved it. And I just want to say, so I dropped her off at her other dad's. And I said, hey.

And by the way, she's been really pissed about me rating her. She's like, I can't believe that. As a parent, you would rate me. And who does that? She shamed you. Yeah. And I'm like, is this really that bad? Like to rate, I'm like, I'm rating her behavior. And so after all of this, cause she came, I picked her up from her dad's, he probably coaches her cause he hates me.

She probably went home and said, dad called me a five. Yeah. And by the way, he texted me about it. And I'm like, to be clear, I was not rating her appearance because she's fucking gorgeous. Like she's a 10. I said, I was rating her behavior and I don't see anything wrong with rating your behavior. So she came in hot when I picked her up yesterday and she immediately starts with the rating again.

I'm like, we're having this conversation again. And then, but the, when I dropped her off, I'm like, Hey, I had a lot of fun with you. I said, I'm going to rate you a 10 out of 10. And she's like, thanks, daddy. So as long as I rate her well, we're good. She just doesn't want a bad grade.

But do you think there's anything wrong with that? No, I don't at all. Rating your kid's behavior.

You get an F. Well, my ex sent me a not so nice text about it. And then he put us on a group text with her therapist. Oh, boy. She's parent shaming me.

What I love about her, she doesn't even respond because she's like, she's probably like, I'm not your fucking marriage counselor. Like, I talk to your kid once a week. You know what I mean? And I always like think, why the hell are you putting us on a group text and complaining about me to our child's therapist? Get your own therapist.

Co-parenting, that must be tough. It's called parallel parenting. Parallel. There's no co-parenting happening between he and I. Nothing. Yeah. But yeah, so he tries to suck her in, but she doesn't respond.

I don't know. I really don't know. Honestly, I think she dislikes both of us. And I understand why. I do. I get it. Yeah. We're both like fucking nightmares.

No, I don't want to, like we're friends and I sent her an orchid when I called her a lesbian. I mean, it was a joke.

Yeah, that's my thing. I send orchids or now books, books.com. It's real easy. It's inexpensive. So you go to your friend's house, like what did Jeff say about you now? I send a lot of flowers. I send a lot of flowers because I'm finding that. Is that what we should do? I apologize a lot, but flowers tend to do it.

It's a shit-stirring Karen. And you're absolutely right. And it gets people all fired up. And now I just respond. It's probably Brynn. And I now respond, did you actually hear the show? No, I didn't hear it. But I heard from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, well, this is what I said. And I encourage you to actually listen to what I said.

Because this has been exaggerated and twisted. I don't know how many texts I respond to a week where I'm like, did you hear the show?

Yes, I do. But sometimes I think the criticism is unwarranted because they didn't hear it.

And that's not what I said.

He said some out of context version. We need a support group for podcasters. You know what? We should-

we should get on a group text it's called most therapists this week we'll talk about this week we'll talk about the rating next week can we talk about how people don't listen to the actual show and they just send highlights just listen to our clips why don't you listen to our whole episode yeah but that happens all the time but i do send a lot of sometimes i do sit yeah a lot of times it is me and then i apologize have you ever responded you're welcome for talking about you

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't do that. Yeah, no.

I'm not... I'm actually... Look, if I'm trying to make amends, that's probably not a good idea. Yeah, sure. And I've always, I get callers. I disagree with you. You did this. I really, I try to listen to- Oh, that's brave. You don't take callers. Not on our reality TV type of stuff. So we do take callers and some people are mad at me about what I said or did. And I listen.

And some, you know, sometimes I agree with them and sometimes I don't agree, but I don't know. I don't like go after people. I just, I'm very calm about it. And listen, and cause I have respect for my listeners. So I'm never going to like berate somebody publicly because you disagree with me. Well, we invite people to disagree. I do too. I always take the show. You're right.

Whenever, whenever I see, cause we have screeners and they like type, they'll type what they're calling about. If they're ever mad at me, I always take that call. I just want to care. I actually love it.

That's kind of my favorite part about the show are the hate calls.

Usually people like that that call in really angry, they kind of hang themselves. Do you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you just give people rope. If you just kind of sit back and are calm, you kind of give them rope and they just kind of hang themselves. They can't possibly be angry at you.

Right, right, right. Well, sometimes they can be, but sometimes it has nothing to do with me and they're mad about something else. So I don't know what happened yesterday. I do know what happened. Somebody had sent me a text because it was a funny bit that we were doing on the show where we gave an eighth grade spelling bee to somebody who like really, like really failed, really failed.

And so we thought it was so funny. And then like some guy was calling me like, you're a motherfucker, you're a douche, you're this, how could you do that? And then, so today I got a text during it and someone was like, oh my God, I'm going to throw myself off a bridge. Bridge, B-R-I-D-G-E, because we were doing a spelling bee. And I thought it was funny. So I read it.

And then today I had a call, which I did not take, which is like, don't make fun of suicide. Like, you know, and I was like, I'm not gonna take that call because I already know what's gonna happen. They had some sort of personal story and that joke, and it was a joke. No one's jumping off a bridge, but they were gonna make it And I just was like, okay, I'm not going to take that call.

Meredith.

I'm behind. That was this week.

I catch up on the weekends. Can we bring up Mary's bangs?

Wait, they're not real though, right?

Bangs are tricky in general. Not a lot of people can carry off bangs.

Very, very, very few people can do it. I've seen it done. But it's most people cannot do bangs.

I could. I could.

You do have a very pretty face.

I'm just trying to think how bangs would look on you.

She would make anything look good. Yeah. That's a good answer. How long you guys been together? Five years. Oh, wow. It's working.

Oh, how old are you? Can I ask?

Oh, that's not that big of a deal. Thank you. I had a date last night. Shane's not happy about this. He thinks there's too much of an age gap. I had a date last night and he is 54.

He's a little young. A little young. Little young. And I was like, even going into it, I was like, this is never going to work. What did you guys talk about? He's actually a very bright guy. A very bright, mature guy. Graduated SC. Executive at NBC.

Well-traveled. From New York. And honestly, you know what I thought? You should be calling him daddy. My ex was 43. And I was thinking to myself as this guy was talking, I was like, you are smarter, more mature, and more successful than my ex who is in his 40s. That's what I was thinking to myself.

I think there might be a second date.

Shane thinks he's too, well, cause he's younger than Shane. I said, your stepdad's going to be younger than you. Cause Shane's like my son. He's been with me for four and a half years, but we're extremely close. He's my right-hand man. We became close because I hired him and he moved out here.

And two weeks later we were shut down because of COVID and he had to move in with me because really at that point, the sources of income dried up. So I had to continue, made sure we do radio. We were actually lucky because we could still do construction, but not every client wanted me in their house. So I was going to say that most clients were like, no, COVID, we don't want you in my house.

But there were a few that were like, no, we want to get this house done. So I still had that source of income, but radio was important. So I was so afraid. I didn't know what was going to happen. I'm like, Shane, I don't know how to work any of this equipment. I'm like, you got to move in because we never knew what was going to happen.

But fortunately the house was big and you lived on the other side, but we did, you know, we, we went grocery shopping together. We went to the dry cleaners. We went to the liquor store a lot.

No, no, I am interested. I have severe ADHD. Okay.

So you have a wall in your living room. We have a wall in our living room. I'll come by and take a look at your house.

I mean, let's take it slow. Let's take it slow here. I feel like I'd like you, but we don't really.

It's more time. It's more him than you.

Yeah, no, I feel like you and I would be on great. I think we would too. No, I'm kidding. I'll come by anytime.

Big wall.

20 feet.

Jesus, that's a big TV.

Okay.

More like a cabinetry and all of that.

Okay. So we just, I have design clients now, similar situation. Um, we did a very long lower cabinet, but we're not good. We're not going to go the whole wall to wall cause it looks stupid. But, um, and then we did this beautiful marble top with, um, this, uh, with an edge detail and it looks really nice. So we, cause she needed storage also.

We also upstairs, we did do a built in whole bookshelf thing, but you don't want bookshelves. You don't need that.

So you don't eat any more of those kind of shelves. I have a great cabinet person. Do you have a cabinet guy?

Okay. So I'm happy to come by and I'll refer my cabinet guy and I'll kind of give you ideas. I'm happy to do it. Great.

I'm in the Valley all the time because I have a couple of clients out here.

Yeah. Do you like games? What kind of game? What are you talking about? This is why you wanted me to stay for dinner?

Justin made a game for us. It sounds like I'm going to have... Oh, we're playing a game right now. We're playing a game right now. Oh, okay. I thought that was... Let's try this again. Do you like games? When I'm safe for dinner.

Yes, I do like games. No, I fucking hate games, but it's okay. I'll play.

I think we're more similar than... I think y'all are too.

Yeah. All right.

iconic or doing too much okay got it all right just two two two words okay meredith marks and her bangs which you just saw oh what is there a third answer like i don't really care no no okay i'll say iconic then interesting it kind of is iconic jared osman sliding into mary cosby's dms oh that's right we did not see i didn't know that i haven't seen that you guys are ruining

Oh, that's, so what's my choices?

Do you find Jared Osmond kind of hot? No. Disgusting. Not at all. Disgusting. I don't know why, but I guess. No, he's an attractive guy. He's a disgusting human. I found him somewhat hot.

Yeah. You like him toxic? Usually, I do. And I would think that- I think she's dickmatized, to be honest with you. I think he's big.

Iconic or doing too much? That, hands down, was iconic. That was iconic. That is Dorit breaking character. I mean, Look, I think she is one of those people that's been very edited for years. Very concerned about what other people think. I mean, obviously, look at the lifestyle they lead. It seems to me... A bit fake.

It seems to me that they're living beyond their means based on alleged tax liens and notice of defaults.

And that can't be paying all that much money these days. I don't know. I hope for them that Boy George is working. And he's taking his 20%. But, oh, I lost my train of thought. Oh, I love that she was like, fuck it. Like she broke character.

And she showed us the real her.

Since day one.

I'm a little bit team PK. And I'll tell you why.

Because I have insider information that he had a real problem. I know that we're trying to blame it all on his alcoholism. That was weird.

Yeah, full-blown alcoholic. I really don't know the status of his drinking. But I will say I did hear that he felt like she has changed since the show and that the show has become a major priority. And I think over he felt and I'm not speaking for him. I'm just telling you what I heard his marriage and his family.

Now, again, I'm sure she's gone to the park with her kids, but look, I don't always go to the park with my kid. In fact, I go once in a while. Most, most often my nanny takes my daughter, but I, when I've been, and also my nanny's been never seen to read with those kids. And that doesn't mean anything.

I mean, she could be a good mother, you know, behind the, behind closed doors, but she was just never, never been there. As far as I've never seen her there.

This is all like, yeah, this is the Beverly Hills park. This is cold water park. So yeah, everybody goes there. I don't know. I kind of believe it. I just kind of believe it. Cause I've seen it. I mean, I've been around for a long time. I started this in, I think the show first aired in 2008 and I've watched people change from these shows.

i find myself drawn to people um with similar goals that i have which is we i i honestly i don't i really i truly and you tell me if i'm wrong shane i truly don't think the fame has affected me i'm very focused on creating streams of income and financial security for my family and that is my that is my focus this is how i happen to be doing it But that is my focus.

I really, I'm not, I have, I, you know, I would say I have Jomo. I don't give a shit about parties or red carpets. I don't feel like the need, you know, and I'm, I'm the first person, like if I walk out of Craig's, I'm hiding. I don't want to, I don't care. I don't care. I don't want to be photographed. I don't, but there are people that literally will hover outside of Craig's waiting for

to be photographed why weird it's weird to me i don't so to answer your question um i always liked you know tabitha coffee um i've always um respected the people that were they're building businesses and versus they're just to be famous yeah that makes sense even if they're promoting products and things like that did you who's who's changed who hasn't sure My, my co-star changed.

Jenny, she changed a lot. We used to be very good friends. And then I do think the notoriety affected her. And I think a lot of them, and I've talked about this, where you, you hire an agent and manager and a publicist and you have this whole team and these people are designed, they just, you know, they just blow smoke up your ass all day. And it really does affect your psyche.

And you start to think you're someone you're not, or you're bigger than you are, better than other people. And I think then you make very bad decisions. And so I've always been, I've been lucky because I've grounded by the people around me, which is my family and my friends and people that I'm dating and that kind of thing. I've been very grounded and I've stayed very kind of true to my goals.

My goals of doing this in the first place. And I made money from day one only because I had a production company that was somewhat new to the game and they fucked up and they sold the show before they had a deal with me. And then at that point, Bravo and the production company wanted the show. So they had come to me with like a very, very, very low offer. And I don't know if I've been on it.

Have I said the numbers? Okay. I'll say it now. I want to say that they, they were saying like, okay, we're going to pay you 3,500 for the pilot and 2,500 per episode. I was like, cool. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Pitch it. Then we had people interested specifically Bravo.

Cause they wanted to go, they wanted to go right to series with six episodes and they came back to me and they're like, okay, we, we got to go. We got a green light here. Sign here. I'm like, I can't work for that. And this is in 2007.

so in two i don't really don't want to piss off bravo though right now uh okay so um i was paid considerably more than that you can guess if you want um more or less than carl richards well i don't know what she makes but you have to understand i was a no name it was uh in 2007 the show was unproven per episode per episode It was a lot more than what they'd offered me.

It was higher than that. It was a lot more than they offered, but 25,000 lower.

real or staged like are you trying to get me sued is that what you guys are doing taking me down garcelle's the one who said she thought it was staged she was like what home what what robber leaves your phone by the gate that's what's garcelle's words i think that there's it's suspicious let's put it that way i think it's suspicious um you know and then when you have public financial problems and

But then also we're living in a very dangerous, it's a very dangerous time. I know Encino has been hit hard with a lot of invasion robberies. There's like robberies, I mean, multiple a day it feels like. So it is very possible that it was, you know, that there is nothing suspicious around it. And, you know, it did this. Could someone have gone in, robbed them, had a conscience?

And, you know, because I know she was pleading and she was crying and it is very possible they had a conscience. So it's yes. I think it depends on how you look at it.

Yeah, for anyone listening, this is a vegan leather. That's fake leather. This is vegan leather from Gap. Yeah, but they could take that ring. They don't know where I hide it. It's fake. Is it insured?

it is it's fake it's fake it's fake i hear you don't keep anything it's vegan don't don't keep anything in the primary bedroom we don't no yeah we don't our house is we don't even have a primary bedroom and do you have cameras it doesn't matter anymore cameras are everywhere i'm plugging them it doesn't matter and they're jamming them so it doesn't really matter what were we talking about before what were we oh i do want to tell you i did family feud i played against street

I didn't really understand the rules. I know that sounds stupid.

I loved him.

I loved him. I thought he was so fucking funny.

Not that way, but I really liked him and I thought he was animated and funny and quick. I actually really liked him. Yeah, me too. But I will say, and this is probably the one nice thing I'll say about Dorit, she's smart and she's witty. Very rarely do you meet someone where you instantly know this is an intelligent human being. And I got it. I got it right away.

She is smart.

Is that the only nice thing I've said today?

I need to say at least one more about somebody.

No. Try again.

Brynn is pretty. I will give her that. She's an attractive person.

Oh, she's a mess, but I kind of like watching it. I miss her when she's not on. Me too. I really miss her. They kind of need to keep her, and I'm going to be pissed if they clip her because she's a mess, right? She's fun. I hope she doesn't go in. She really needs some therapy. She needs so much therapy.

But do we want her to get therapy?

They're like, if you get therapy, you're out.

It's kind of a dream cast, that SLC.

truly all right but can we because i i can't let this go no you guys are you know you're doing well in life you have money you invite someone on a trip you're like i'm chartering a plane i'm just assuming that if if you both invite me to palm springs which we could take arrow because they do do have these flights now in palm springs but anyway um and you charter a flight i'm assuming i have a ride home and i would assume it would be the same way we got there

I'm assuming that too. And if not, it's cool. Like, hey, we chartered a flight there. We're going to stay a couple extra days. Just say that. And you're going to have to find your own way home. Okay, no problem. I'll book a flight or whatever. I was a little shocked by that, letting them know in the morning that they're going to be flying coach.

And I mean, again, there's nothing wrong with coach. That's not the point. The point is you should have let me know that this is what was happening. So if I don't want to fly coach, and by the way, it's not a 45-minute flight. It's like two hours. It's two hours. So that's an exaggeration.

And I also, if you have so much money and you just gifted a $4 million necklace, which I don't believe that happened. Uh, what do you give a shit about another 20 grand to fly them home? Why do you care?

The necklace? I think it was either borrowed or I thought it could be lab-grown diamonds or maybe it's a... I just don't think... Look, it's obviously Todd. Todd is a wealthy man. You got to be pretty wealthy to be okay with dropping $4 million on a necklace. And even if he got it for $2 million. I mean, he invented Palm Pilot. That's like... He's probably a billionaire. I don't know about that.

I don't know about that. It could be, though. And that's the house they chose?

I'm not disputing he's not wealthy. I just, I'm not buying the, I don't think that necklace, I don't know. I don't think that happened.

It's still I still find it. I still find it tacky how it went down.

OK, but also maybe tell me before you invite me that we're just because, look, you have to schedule this charter. Right. So just tell me beforehand, like, you know, we got you on the way there.

And, you know, I can either pick up a ticket for you or you guys.

The option. I'm all about just, you know, communicate. I'll figure it out. Thank you. And by the way, thank you so much for flying us there. I really appreciate that. Thanks for picking up, which we know they did. We know Bravo did. But thanks for picking up the house. The house was gorgeous, whatever. I'll come from a place of gratitude.

But don't surprise me the morning of on the way to the airport.

I think that was mishandled. It was messy.

It was messy.

And not a classy thing to do. I still really like her. I do too. I just met her at a gay bar in Dallas called The Roundup.

And I was with Crystal Minkoff, who's a real good time. Real good time.

Yeah. We produce a show with her now. Oh, I'm fucking stupid. That's right. We already talked about that. Duh. I was in Dallas. She was there on a speaking engagement. I'm like, hey, meet up with us at the Roundup, which is this big famous gay bar. You'd love it, Nick. And they have karaoke. They have all these different rooms. Drinks are cheap. Do you love Jell-O shots? Love. Oh, my God.

I feel like I'm in college again. It was so fun. But Crystal met us. And I think she came right from the airport. And she took a lot of my cash. And gave it to the strippers. And she would like, okay, so we've all, you know, we've all done, we've all, you know, helped out strippers.

I'm very careful. Like, I will roll up the money. I kind of like put it in. You neatly put it in. Crystal had her hand all the way down and just like lingered there.

Yeah. And this guy was like Jared. He was well endowed. And so she kept going back to the same dancer.

I'm supposed to say dancer, not stripper.

Entertainers. Performers. Yeah. Go, go.

And I don't know how many of 20s she went through. But they were all my money, by the way.

She went through my 20s.

I need to check it. But I had cash. I don't go to, I try to, it's like when you go to Vegas. Like I go with a certain amount of cash and I do not take my 18.

No, no, no. Cause I'll just keep going.

So, um, she owes, she owes me a lot of money cause she spent many twenties on that server, but she's a real good time. Oh, anyway, so then someone comes over and they're like, um, Hey, Bronwyn from Salt Lake city's here. And this is what I love about Crystal. Cause I'm like, Oh, Oh my God, I'm a big fan. Let's go over there. She's like, no, no, no, no.

And she takes my hand and she kind of pushes me back. She's like, let her come to us. And she did. And I'm like, damn, she doesn't play that crystal. The roundup's real fun. It's a real good time.

Well, I'd have you in the, you know what I, you're obviously, you probably feel uncomfortable around the dancers, but there's a whole karaoke room, which is probably where we would leave. I went to a gay bar with my friend Brad Goreski.

You know Brad?

You're a terrible dancer. You knew his secrets. They make a lot of money. I bet they do. When I'm there, they make a lot. And Crystal. And if Crystal's there with you and your money.

Well, I get drunk and then I'm like the nicest, happiest, most fun drunk you'll ever meet. And I'm also very generous. So out comes the cash.

Yeah. That sounds good. But yes, you know how like there's there's we've seen a few on Housewives where there's like a mean drunks where people get mean.

i'm so glad i'm like a really nice happy drunk how are you i don't get drunk i've never seen nick get drunk oh that's good good for you you don't want to go out with crystal honestly i've been out with crystal she is fun she's a very good time she's uh she's good wing woman wing woman she was great but uh would you ever perform

There was probably a window where I could have been. I used to be hot. I know that's hard for you to figure out, but I used to be hot. I probably could have done it. And if I needed the money, I think if I really needed money, yeah, I'm not opposed to most things. Only fans.

That window, I think, is closed for me, but it's okay. But I am on weaky feet. I could make some money. What's your score? What's my score now? Well, there's a couple of haters that brought it down. Are you serious? Yeah, I was at five for a while. I'm a 4.9. That's great. Can I see your feet? Yeah. How big are they?

Yeah, you have nice feet.

Oh yeah, that's a five.

I am so mad because I checked a week ago and it was 4.750. Stop! It's fucking Juicy Scoopers. They're the ones. Damn it.

I am so embarrassed. I was a five.

Well, I was at a 4.5 for a while and then I jumped back up to a 4.750. And then somebody brought me back down, assholes.

Well, actually, according to Jess, I'm a 5. I'm not in a good mood. Did I say 5?

You said I had 5 feet.

Yeah, it's a good size.

11 and a half. I have wide feet, though. I think if you have really fucked up feet, you can make a lot of money.

Yeah. Who has fucked up feet, Shane, that we told to get on OnlyFans? Yeah, Cynthia Bailey with her bunions.

I told her, I'm like, why are you doing vile files or anything associated with Nick's podcast network? You can make a ton of money on Feet Finder. Don't tell her. Don't tell her that. Because they're sickos. They love deformities. Well, on that note, Cynthia's bunions.

Come back.

Come back?

I think if I was in the neighborhood and I didn't have anything else to do.

Yeah, if it was like a holiday.

uh let my audience know all the great things you're doing promote plug what am i doing i don't know i have a radio show two hours a day five days a week it's called jeff lewis live it's on the sirius xm um you can you can also download the app if you don't have to listen to it live who's the last person who showed up late to the show uh todrick hall yesterday was late i kind of love him i'm a fan so it's okay you know it's fine

Yeah. What else? Jeff Lewis has issues where podcasts are available.

We drop two a week. Thanks, Nick. You're welcome. Thank you.

Thank you.